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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 05, 2009 7:32 am) (for a while this morning I thought I was in Maintenance & Repair reading about transmissions).
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 05, 2009 7:36 am) The Ford discussions aren't going to yield higher UAW jobs at lower wages for ALL of the UAW workers. The long timers aren't about to give up anything, unless it's for the new employees should there be any... I think a real test of the UAW is that they got healthcare for their retirees while the IUE auto assembly workers got nothing out of the GM/C rescue this winter. UAW should be interested in "sharing" some of their power-gotten gains with their brother auto assemblers (GM Moraine Truck Assembly, Dayton Oh). link title "Rumor was floated around when UAW first agreed to the VEBA, That the only way they would agree to it is if all of the IUE plants were shut down. That is basically all of the GM/Delphi plants in Dayton, Ohio. But I guess we still have DMAX barely." ---link title
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 05, 2009 8:27 am)  Let's see - the Dems pass some sort of national health care. Stuck in the legislation is a section that lets employers like the big 3 dump health care for line workers and retirees. All of a sudden, a big part of the union contract is defuncto, and all of a sudden, the VEBA is worth a lot more. Instead of paying health care premiums, the VEBA could shunt some money to the hourly UAW guys. Simple. Maybe even topical, lol. 
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 05, 2009 8:35 am)  I'm beginning to react to the UAW the way a barrister might because of that aggressive action on the part of the UAW. I believe I'm on topic: UAW.
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 05, 2009 6:31 am) Yes, you're right about that. People with problems about a product - be it a car or an appliance, usually are more vocal than those who have no problems. And, unless the problem becomes one of safety (in which case the NHTSA becomes involved), there is really no good way to see how widespread a problem is. You certainly can't count on the automakers - any of them - to report out, for instance, how many transmissions have come back in for repair or replacement. Might make 'em look bad .
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 05, 2009 5:42 am) >Honda had a problem but owned up to it QUICKLY You might want to tell that to the Odyssey folks. They're not happy. In the past Honda had extended the warranty to about 100K mi on Accords for the trans problems. That cost was born out of the extra profit they were able to make on the initial sale of the car, in my opinion. Gm and others were saddled with the extra high cost of UAW and were not able to glean a high profit margin on car sales to use as a silent warranty fund. I knew somebody would bring up the Honda transmissions which is why I preemptively mentioned them. The fact is that Honda, a much smaller car company than GM, responded much better than GM. Even with Honda's more limited resources over the last 30 years, the transmission situation (three model years) is the only substantial quality problem that has been cited. Compare that to the Vega, V8-6-4, Olds diesels, Citation, Dexcool, Quad 4, Transmission failures, and loads of other things I'm sure I don't know about from GM. There is NO COMPARISON of GM's shoddy quality over 30 years to Honda OR Toyota, and to try and pretend that it is apples and apples is just a denial. The market is not so stupid as the GM apologists think, and there is a good reason why GM is a massive failure while the competitors have been successful. The culture of Unionism vs. management has distracted the US auto industry from its real attention which should be MAKING QUALITY PRODUCTS THE PUBLIC WANTS. If GM had competitive wages and benes at least it might have been able to fund better design. If the UAW had not been such a continuous focus for the management then perhaps they could have devoted more time to strategy for the company regarding PRODUCTS. The union has a huge cost and it is not all just the cost of salaries and benes. Heck, even Hyundai has spent the last 10 years with a much more credible turnaround than GM, again with a smaller set of resources at its disposal. I know, I know, the Volt is going to make it all different, right? 
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 05, 2009 7:27 am) "We'll sit down with the UAW and continue to have those discussions on how to make ourselves competitive and then go from there," said Mark Fields, Ford's president of the Americas, who spoke to the Reuters Autos Summit." I'm sure Alan Mulally keeps in touch with his Boeing friends. Boeing just announced a second 787 assembly line in North Carolina - a right to work state - largely for "labor flexibility". Boeing indicated that the strikes every few years cost them a lot of money, and the delays caused by strikes make their customers unhappy. So once Boeing has two assembly lines open, they can put the pressure on, or Washington will be losing a lot of manufacturing jobs. Let's hope Ford does the same. Unfortunately Ford probably can't build in a right to work state without the UAW having to be there (is this true?), so that means for Ford it is more jobs in Mexico and elsewhere. If the economy gets good enough in Mexico then we can all just sneak illegally over the border to get some good jobs down there. So let's NOT hear the UAW lament about all the manufacturing jobs going overseas, ok? Where is Rocky when you need to admonish him?
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Replying to: tlong (Nov 05, 2009 11:45 am) Don't know if they are UAW jobs. Electric Truck Maker EVI Relocates From Mexico to U.S. as EV Market Here Grows (Green Car Advisor) |
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 05, 2009 5:59 am) |
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Boeing's planning on building a 2nd Dreamliner 787 production line in a Carolina somewhere. Only it's gonna be in South Carolina, not North Carolina. Oh, believe me, having been laid off twice from Boeing's, the Company is the one in control there. If it cuts in to their profit margin too much the head Starbuck's and raspberry jelly donut grey suits will take matters in to their own very capable hands. I'd like to see Mulally do this at Ford and boot the UAW off their force altogether. Bust that puppy up in to a billion little pieces. Little wrench pieces and little bones. Little bones..little bones...little bones...little bones...little, little, little bones. What a croc, these "strong" unions. If they want to survive they're gonna have to get the sledgehammers out, boys. I actually respect Boeing a lot more by this action. The time to take this kind of action is early, like right now. Not later. Right? |
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