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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 13, 2009 5:09 am) ".....Everyone is touting the G8/Caprice. How is it any better for the UAW than a Chinese Buick? Neither one creates a job in the USA." IIRC, the G8/Caprice was supposed to eventually shift production here. This was before the disaster that was $4/gal gas. As of now, it sounds as if this vehicle is a niche product. I assume it's transformation to a Chevy is to "fill a void" left by the G8's departure, and to throw a bone to Holden. As far as the "Chinese Buick", initially, there was talk of importing 150,000 cars from China a year ( b4 the BK started). The UAW howled, and that put an end to that. Now, rumor has it that a "baby Buick" will be built along side the Cruze in Ohio and be exported to China; http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/22/spy-shots-buick-getting-its-own-cruze-variant- / The Fairfax, Kansas plant has been reopened for the 2010 Lacrosse and Malibu |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 13, 2009 12:32 pm) With the automakers, we are, literally, talking about buying the product itself, not just driving it to the next city, and we are buying something where we have a certain amount of ability to measure its quality...whether we are right or wrong, we will decide if the SUV door fits, or the dash is ergonomic, or if we hear rattles or not...and we will avoid the lower quality product... We are quite ignorant of the quality of the airplane, and we are even told that wings that flap and creak are designed like that to be flexible for flight, whereas a dashboard that flaps and creaks at 60 mph is a junk car... So, the analogy of Delta vs GM is meaningless, as you really are comparing apples to oranges...we will fly a bankrupt airline if there is an available seat, but we may not buy a car from a bankrupt carmaker, because we will own the car, but not the airplane...
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 13, 2009 7:10 pm) A bankrupt company was probably pressuring (and late paying) their suppliers. Pilots and flight attendants hear all the banko rumors and get stressed before the filing and worry about their jobs and pensions after the filing. Ditto the mechanics, and they are pressured by their supervisors to work faster, harder, cheaper. Makes you want to fly with a more solvent outfit eh? Apples and oranges are both fruit, roundish, have seeds, skins you can peel. Blood oranges are red. Golden Orange and Pippens are orange apples. Lots of similarities. 
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"You are putting your life in someone else's hands with either vehicle"...yes, you are...but the differences are still too great...if the bankruptcy airplane was unsafe, the pilot and flight attendants will NOT get on the plane...if they knew the mechanics were cutting corners, they would not get on the plane... With the autoakers, we have many, MANY disgruntled workers assembling something for a company they resent...note all the union problems and acts of sabotage noted earlier in these posts...if only 20% are true, that is meaningful...plus, UAW workers simply do not have the skills of airline mechanics... Like I said, buying a seat for a flight is no big deal, as the company can simply fly their planes while in Ch 11...as for making cars in, or after, Ch 11, knowing the same idiots who put it into Ch 11 are still making the cars, is quite different, esp when there are alternatives to GM and C... It might be different if Boeing or Airbus was bankrupt, but the airline simple uses the plane, and maintains it...they don't make it...UAW make the product, and we have seen where that has taken the Big 3...that part cannot change...
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 14, 2009 6:11 am) That certainly is an overstatement. Stories of disgruntled worker sabotage have become urban legends. Indeed in the last decade and more the part time worker at Toyota Georgetown more likely would sagotage things due to their being throwaway workers never hoping to consummate their gaining a full time position as they thought when they were hired.
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| With the hold on manual transmission Camaros, I have a question. Are the failing 6 speed manual transmissions UAW made or non-Union made? | |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 14, 2009 7:16 am) It seems that doing a hard launch or using the launch control system occasionally results in a broken output shaft, Can't really fault GM for it though since Tremec makes the unit... I don't know if someone is going to be able to hang this one on UAW workers or not. It sounds like an engineering design problem or material quality control problem.
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 14, 2009 7:19 am)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 14, 2009 6:11 am) Well, a pilot walking around an Airbus on the pre-flight isn't going to notice the crimped line that's about to fail that some disgruntled A&P mechanic bent 100 hours of flight time ago. Obama is going to Michigan. "The appearance will be picketed by angry General Motors retirees who are non-UAW. They claim over 120,000 retirees have lost billions of dollars in health care and other benefits not protected by the new GM." WKZO Lear isn't taking on the UAW sitting down: "Lear told The Wall Street Journal that it has flown salaried workers to Arlington from around the country to maintain production. The company is trying to get the UAW to cut its total hourly wage and benefit rate to $35 from $43. " Supplier's labor strife could hurt GM Arlington plant (Dallas Morning News)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 14, 2009 8:05 am) Amazing that all this change and openness that was promised doesn't give a townhall where people of all types could have input to our president. Instead it's a closed college group who gets the tickets!!!
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