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Replying to: dodgeman07 (Jul 12, 2009 9:47 pm) Have any of the UAW shops re-opened since the big shut down? The only gotta have GM is the Camaro and it is built in Canada, by the much more pragmatic CAW Union.
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topic had died, but we just needed to give th situation time to "simmer" before more UAW crap came "down the pipe", so to speak... I truly wonder if what Obama did for the UAW, will backfire at some point...he has obviously extended the Jobs Bank to include the entire remaining UAW, since I wonder who, if anybody is making cars right now...and, if someone is, who is buying them???...who is lending money to buy them??? And, will anybody feel comfortable buying from companies that are bankrupt, regardless of whether the gov't stands behind a GM warranty or not??? A simple history lesson...the UAW caused quality to drop like a rock for over 2 decades...that loss of quality caused buyers to desert the Big 3 in droves...that spiraled into the bankruptcy of GM and C, and probably soon Ford...that causes more buyers to shift to the "imports"...that drives the Big 3 (for lack of a better name) even smaller...and so on, and so on... Proper history will record that the UAW killed the American auto industry...revisionist, politically correct history will record that buyers, for no reason, deserted the Big 3 for the imports, and no one, to this day, knows why... |
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 13, 2009 8:35 am) I would say the smart UAW people are getting some training for another unrelated field. The auto industry as we know it will never return. The peak sales for automobiles is past. Ford wisely moved their big sellers to Mexico. Much less chance of them shutting down a factory building a hot seller like the UAW did last year to GM. Does GM have any hot sellers built by UAW. If so they need to move the factory before it is too late. |
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 13, 2009 8:35 am) I'm flying Delta in a couple of months. They've been out of banko for, oh, two years now? They absorbed some union employees when they took over Northwest.
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 13, 2009 8:35 am) I truly wonder if what Obama did for the UAW, will backfire at some point... /////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ It's highly likely. Obama has a vested interest in their success through 2012. After that it's curtains. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 13, 2009 5:09 am) ".....Everyone is touting the G8/Caprice. How is it any better for the UAW than a Chinese Buick? Neither one creates a job in the USA." IIRC, the G8/Caprice was supposed to eventually shift production here. This was before the disaster that was $4/gal gas. As of now, it sounds as if this vehicle is a niche product. I assume it's transformation to a Chevy is to "fill a void" left by the G8's departure, and to throw a bone to Holden. As far as the "Chinese Buick", initially, there was talk of importing 150,000 cars from China a year ( b4 the BK started). The UAW howled, and that put an end to that. Now, rumor has it that a "baby Buick" will be built along side the Cruze in Ohio and be exported to China; http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/22/spy-shots-buick-getting-its-own-cruze-variant- / The Fairfax, Kansas plant has been reopened for the 2010 Lacrosse and Malibu |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 13, 2009 12:32 pm) With the automakers, we are, literally, talking about buying the product itself, not just driving it to the next city, and we are buying something where we have a certain amount of ability to measure its quality...whether we are right or wrong, we will decide if the SUV door fits, or the dash is ergonomic, or if we hear rattles or not...and we will avoid the lower quality product... We are quite ignorant of the quality of the airplane, and we are even told that wings that flap and creak are designed like that to be flexible for flight, whereas a dashboard that flaps and creaks at 60 mph is a junk car... So, the analogy of Delta vs GM is meaningless, as you really are comparing apples to oranges...we will fly a bankrupt airline if there is an available seat, but we may not buy a car from a bankrupt carmaker, because we will own the car, but not the airplane...
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 13, 2009 7:10 pm) A bankrupt company was probably pressuring (and late paying) their suppliers. Pilots and flight attendants hear all the banko rumors and get stressed before the filing and worry about their jobs and pensions after the filing. Ditto the mechanics, and they are pressured by their supervisors to work faster, harder, cheaper. Makes you want to fly with a more solvent outfit eh? Apples and oranges are both fruit, roundish, have seeds, skins you can peel. Blood oranges are red. Golden Orange and Pippens are orange apples. Lots of similarities. 
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"You are putting your life in someone else's hands with either vehicle"...yes, you are...but the differences are still too great...if the bankruptcy airplane was unsafe, the pilot and flight attendants will NOT get on the plane...if they knew the mechanics were cutting corners, they would not get on the plane... With the autoakers, we have many, MANY disgruntled workers assembling something for a company they resent...note all the union problems and acts of sabotage noted earlier in these posts...if only 20% are true, that is meaningful...plus, UAW workers simply do not have the skills of airline mechanics... Like I said, buying a seat for a flight is no big deal, as the company can simply fly their planes while in Ch 11...as for making cars in, or after, Ch 11, knowing the same idiots who put it into Ch 11 are still making the cars, is quite different, esp when there are alternatives to GM and C... It might be different if Boeing or Airbus was bankrupt, but the airline simple uses the plane, and maintains it...they don't make it...UAW make the product, and we have seen where that has taken the Big 3...that part cannot change...
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 14, 2009 6:11 am) That certainly is an overstatement. Stories of disgruntled worker sabotage have become urban legends. Indeed in the last decade and more the part time worker at Toyota Georgetown more likely would sagotage things due to their being throwaway workers never hoping to consummate their gaining a full time position as they thought when they were hired.
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