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#15588 of 16655 Re: Buy a Cadillac DTS... [jimbres] by andre1969 Jul 01, 2009 (10:43 am)
Replying to: jimbres (Jul 01, 2009 10:27 am) Just for kicks, I ran the math on my '76 LeMans, which is the car I'm driving today. I figure "running costs" have come out to a whopping $15.81 per month. Of course, that's a bit deceptive since I don't drive it much. I've had it over 4 years now, and have only put around 3400 miles on it. I'm sure if I drove it all the time, it would require more. In contrast, "running costs" for my 2000 Intrepid have come out to around $73 per month. Which, over the course of almost 10 years, and 147,000 miles, ain't too bad I guess. Blowing up my a/c compressor earlier this year sure didn't help things much!
#15589 of 16655 Re: Buy a Cadillac DTS... [andre1969] by roadburner Jul 01, 2009 (6:44 pm)
Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 01, 2009 10:04 am) By "running costs" he probably means maintenance/repairs. Not including gasoline, registration fees, insurance, loan payments, etc.   Exactly.
#15590 of 16655 UAW after the BK by dodgeman07 Jul 12, 2009 (9:47 pm)
Has this thread died??   Anyway - Am I the one who's outraged that GM emerged from BK with the UAW holding a contract that maintains the same wages/benefits for all existing employees?   What a joke! Concessions were for retirees/new hires only! This time next year GM will need another $50 billion to survive though we the sheeple may not hear about it. It's a recipe for failure and incredible beyond belief.   TARP will have to fund GM for the next 2-3 years at a minimum. Replies to this message: gagrice (Jul 13, 2009 5:09 am) cooterbfd (Jul 13, 2009 1:22 pm)
#15591 of 16655 Re: UAW after the BK [dodgeman07] by gagrice Jul 13, 2009 (5:09 am)
Replying to: dodgeman07 (Jul 12, 2009 9:47 pm) I think the Obama auto juggernaut has pulled a quick one on the UAW. Look at the jobs being lost in Michigan since the government took over GM & C. Those now running the GM show know that the UAW is a big stumbling block to being viable. They are going to shift the work to non UAW suppliers and offshore most of the small cars they are pushing for. Everyone is touting the G8/Caprice. How is it any better for the UAW than a Chinese Buick? Neither one creates a job in the USA.   Have any of the UAW shops re-opened since the big shut down? The only gotta have GM is the Camaro and it is built in Canada, by the much more pragmatic CAW Union. Replies to this message: cooterbfd (Jul 13, 2009 1:22 pm)
#15592 of 16655 I, too, thought this by marsha7 Jul 13, 2009 (8:35 am)
topic had died, but we just needed to give th situation time to "simmer" before more UAW crap came "down the pipe", so to speak...   I truly wonder if what Obama did for the UAW, will backfire at some point...he has obviously extended the Jobs Bank to include the entire remaining UAW, since I wonder who, if anybody is making cars right now...and, if someone is, who is buying them???...who is lending money to buy them???   And, will anybody feel comfortable buying from companies that are bankrupt, regardless of whether the gov't stands behind a GM warranty or not???   A simple history lesson...the UAW caused quality to drop like a rock for over 2 decades...that loss of quality caused buyers to desert the Big 3 in droves...that spiraled into the bankruptcy of GM and C, and probably soon Ford...that causes more buyers to shift to the "imports"...that drives the Big 3 (for lack of a better name) even smaller...and so on, and so on...   Proper history will record that the UAW killed the American auto industry...revisionist, politically correct history will record that buyers, for no reason, deserted the Big 3 for the imports, and no one, to this day, knows why... Replies to this message: gagrice (Jul 13, 2009 10:57 am) steve_ (Jul 13, 2009 12:32 pm) marsha7 (Jul 13, 2009 7:10 pm) steve_ (Jul 13, 2009 7:45 pm) dodgeman07 (Jul 13, 2009 1:03 pm)
#15593 of 16655 Re: I, too, thought this [marsha7] by gagrice Jul 13, 2009 (10:57 am)
Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 13, 2009 8:35 am) I would guess the out of work UAW members are getting decent unemployment as a part of the Stimulus Bill. The real catch is the States by accepting the money have to keep the program into the future. That means the unemployment compensation now being given for up to a year will be the new state law. That was why several governors balked at the Stimulus. The States get $50 million for right now. What happens next year?   I would say the smart UAW people are getting some training for another unrelated field. The auto industry as we know it will never return. The peak sales for automobiles is past. Ford wisely moved their big sellers to Mexico. Much less chance of them shutting down a factory building a hot seller like the UAW did last year to GM. Does GM have any hot sellers built by UAW. If so they need to move the factory before it is too late.
#15594 of 16655 Re: I, too, thought this [marsha7] by steve_ HOST Jul 13, 2009 (12:32 pm)
Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 13, 2009 8:35 am) And, will anybody feel comfortable buying from companies that are bankrupt,   I'm flying Delta in a couple of months. They've been out of banko for, oh, two years now? They absorbed some union employees when they took over Northwest. Replies to this message: marsha7 (Jul 13, 2009 7:10 pm) steve_ (Jul 13, 2009 7:45 pm)
#15595 of 16655 Re: I, too, thought this [marsha7] by dodgeman07 Jul 13, 2009 (1:03 pm)
Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 13, 2009 8:35 am) marsha7 wrote: I truly wonder if what Obama did for the UAW, will backfire at some point...   /////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\   It's highly likely. Obama has a vested interest in their success through 2012. After that it's curtains.
#15596 of 16655 Re: UAW after the BK [gagrice] by cooterbfd Jul 13, 2009 (1:22 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Jul 13, 2009 5:09 am) Gary, I think the jobs being lost are through attrition. Getting people off the rolls now so they can take advantage of the lower wages if they need to hire as the economy picks up. As far as the "jobs bank" (dodgeman) IIRC it no longer exists. they get unemployment.   ".....Everyone is touting the G8/Caprice. How is it any better for the UAW than a Chinese Buick? Neither one creates a job in the USA."   IIRC, the G8/Caprice was supposed to eventually shift production here. This was before the disaster that was $4/gal gas. As of now, it sounds as if this vehicle is a niche product. I assume it's transformation to a Chevy is to "fill a void" left by the G8's departure, and to throw a bone to Holden.   As far as the "Chinese Buick", initially, there was talk of importing 150,000 cars from China a year ( b4 the BK started). The UAW howled, and that put an end to that. Now, rumor has it that a "baby Buick" will be built along side the Cruze in Ohio and be exported to China;   http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/22/spy-shots-buick-getting-its-own-cruze-variant- /   The Fairfax, Kansas plant has been reopened for the 2010 Lacrosse and Malibu
#15597 of 16655 Re: I, too, thought this [steve_] by marsha7 Jul 13, 2009 (7:10 pm)
Replying to: steve_ (Jul 13, 2009 12:32 pm) Steve, for some reason, I cannot, and do not equate the two...with Delta, you are only buying a seat for a flight, you are not buying the airplane...obviously, unless the pilot simply wants to die, the bankruptcy of the "company" has nothing to do with the plane taling off and flying...bankruptcy may stop the plane from taking off, as would a pilot strike or attendant strike, but once the plane is in the air, the bankruptcy of the airline really means nothing, assuming they had enough money to fill the fuel tanks to full...   With the automakers, we are, literally, talking about buying the product itself, not just driving it to the next city, and we are buying something where we have a certain amount of ability to measure its quality...whether we are right or wrong, we will decide if the SUV door fits, or the dash is ergonomic, or if we hear rattles or not...and we will avoid the lower quality product...   We are quite ignorant of the quality of the airplane, and we are even told that wings that flap and creak are designed like that to be flexible for flight, whereas a dashboard that flaps and creaks at 60 mph is a junk car...   So, the analogy of Delta vs GM is meaningless, as you really are comparing apples to oranges...we will fly a bankrupt airline if there is an available seat, but we may not buy a car from a bankrupt carmaker, because we will own the car, but not the airplane... Replies to this message: steve_ (Jul 13, 2009 7:45 pm)

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