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Re: REality is hitting home where it counts... [imidazol97] by michaell
Jun 24, 2009 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jun 24, 2009 7:39 am)

One thing I've learned about most public employees is that they don't pay FICA .. the money from the pension is really their only retirement.
 
In Colorado, there is an optional 401(k)-like program they can contribute to as well.
 
My wife works for a school district here in Colorado, and they base your pension off of the three highest earning years. I think it's 50% of that amount after 20 years, then an additional 2% for each year afterwards, up to a maximum of something like 75-80%.
 
She's got 11 years to go to get to 20.
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Re: REality is hitting home where it counts... [michaell] by fezo
Jun 24, 2009 (9:50 am)
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Replying to: michaell (Jun 24, 2009 9:29 am)

I'm a public employee in NJ. We pay FICA and pay into a state retirement plan. After 25 years in one can retire with a full pension benefit of years worked divided by 60. There are options to have a spouse collect after you die but you get a smaller monthly payment. If you retire before the age of 55 they subtract 35 per year off that maximum benefit.
 
I've got my years and my age in but until I'm old enough to collect Social Security it doesn't make sense to retire.
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Re: REality is hitting home where it counts... [fezo] by michaell
Jun 24, 2009 (10:03 am)
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Replying to: fezo (Jun 24, 2009 9:50 am)

I think CO works the same way -- different payouts if you want spousal benefits, etc.
 
We're so far away from retirement it's not something that we think about that much.
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Re: REality is hitting home where it counts... [michaell] by fezo
Jun 24, 2009 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: michaell (Jun 24, 2009 10:03 am)

Oh, it's right up in the front of my head. Three and a half years - or less if i have to go out for health reasons.
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Re: REality is hitting home where it counts... [fezo] by nortsr1
Jun 24, 2009 (11:01 am)
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Replying to: fezo (Jun 24, 2009 9:50 am)

I am a retired dep. Chief of Police in a large Twsp. in N.J. The Township takes 3% of our pay and matches it with their 3% and then it is sent to the N.J. Police and Firemans Pension Plan.
  After 25 years you can retire at 65% of your last years base salary.No age restriction. Overtime is NOT considered part of the base. Anything over the twenty five years is 1%/year, but ONLY up to 70%.That's the limit. Disability pension is 65% of your last year of employment. We also get a cost of living raise which is approx. one half of the yearly national cost of living. We also pay soc. security tax and can collect when 62 or whatever.
  When I die, my wife gets 1/2 of my pension and the medical benefits until she dies. At age 65 we must take Medicare and our health insurance picks up whatever medicare does not pay.
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Re: REality is hitting home where it counts... [nortsr1] by lokki
Jun 24, 2009 (11:21 am)
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Replying to: nortsr1 (Jun 24, 2009 11:01 am)

The pension vs. 401k debate falls somewhat onto my turf in real life, and it's been an interesting question for the last 10 years or so. My company offers a defined-benefit pension plan.
 
One of the things that we've found is that many young people prefer a 401k to the defined-benefit pension plan. They don't expect to stay long enough with one company to collect a pension. They want the portability of the 401k. It's cash they can carry off with them, while pension plan contributions are usually lost, or are very small in cashout value.
 
We've also found it makes it harder to recruit people in their 50's (when we want to buy the knowledge and experience rather than grow our own). Those people don't want the defined-benefit pension as they won't have enough time with us to grow it into a decent check. They would also rather have the 401k option.
 
This may be changing since all our 401k's turned into 301k's, but that's what we've seen for the past several years.
 
I personally am old enough, with enough years with my company, that I'm THRILLED that we still have a pension plan. I tend to believe that Steve's article about the experience of the WVA teachers is going to ring true for a lot of people.
 
Still, I have to admit... the young generation doesn't seem interested in what we used to call a "career" with one company. Now a "career" involves hunting companies that will pay you for what you learned on your last job.
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Re: REality is hitting home where it counts... [lokki] by andre1969
Jun 24, 2009 (11:26 am)
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Replying to: lokki (Jun 24, 2009 11:21 am)

I get a pension when I turn 65, for the 7 years I put in at McDonnell-Douglas/Boeing. It'll come out to $349.21 per month when I'm finally eligible. And that's not indexed to inflation. I can't wait to see what I'll be able to do with $349.21 per month starting in 2035.
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Re: REality is hitting home where it counts... [andre1969] by lemko
Jun 24, 2009 (11:30 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jun 24, 2009 11:26 am)

Hmmm! Maybe I can have a Kit Kat? Noooo. Maybe a Snickers? Noooo. Ah, a Three Musketeers! That'll hit the spot!
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Re: REality is hitting home where it counts... [nortsr1] by fezo
Jun 24, 2009 (11:37 am)
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Replying to: nortsr1 (Jun 24, 2009 11:01 am)

Yes, you essentially get a better version of our deal. Considering what it takes to be a policeman in NJ - let alone a chief - you earn that part.
 
At this point I'm past 50% of salary fir full benefit and, like you, would have to hit Medicare at 65. I still have young kids though so I'd be costing eth state money. So it goes....
 
Where in NJ?
 
I'm down just off the shore - Manahawkin. You have to come through to get to Long Beach Island unless you go there by boat.
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Re: REality is hitting home where it counts... [nortsr1] by wesleyg
Jun 24, 2009 (12:09 pm)
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Replying to: nortsr1 (Jun 24, 2009 11:01 am)

read your post with interest, I am a retired deputy chief in a medium sized city in Ohio. Our pension is 66% of final 3 years salary average, with 1and1/2% increase for each year after 25 with a max. of 33 years service for pesion increase. You must have at least 25 years and over 48 years old to start. Overtime is considered for pesion purposes We get 3% cost of living increase each year, but it is computed on your original pesion, no compounding. We pay no social security tax and CANNOT collect any on our police earnings. But what is important is that we pay a full 10% of every dime we earn toward our pension with the city paying another 14% to the State Pension fund for each employee. So honestly I dont feel the taxpayer is getting hosed for our pension like fatcats in UAW, Am I wrong to assume this?

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