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Replying to: steve_ (May 15, 2009 1:06 pm) My T-shirt story starts with a Crazy Shirt I bought in Kona in the late 1970s. I wore that shirt until it was threadbare. Crazy shirt's used to be guaranteed for life. So I took it back in the 1990s and traded it for a new one. It never was the same. Should have kept the original. Speaking of high labor costs. Crazy Shirts was forced into bankruptcy in 2001. The new owners moved the factory out of CA and back to Hawaii. They are now making a good profit again. States like CA and Michigan will not be satisfied until they have driven every industry out of their states with over regulation, high taxes and OVER PAID UNSKILLED WORKERS. |
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Replying to: kipk (May 16, 2009 2:49 am) Don't feel alone being confused. If VEBA owns 55% of the stock, is it worthless under bankruptcy. If not and they are now in control, who would be crazy enough to invest in such a losing venture? Oh, I forgot Obama will keep investing OPM (Other People's Money). Keep the UAW afloat no matter what the cost to the US Tax Payers. |
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my wife (girlfriend at the time) had a red T-shirt she got from Castrol Oil that said..."You Ought to Change Your Oil"...I assume it was made in America back then...she threw it out 2 years ago, after 29 years and the dye had faded and it was threadbare...(seeing her in a threadbare shirt is a topic for another time...    ...)...yes, it was a quality shirt, and back in the 70s, I do not know how unions had affected the shirt industry, so I do believe we make them better... But, things have changed...if the shirt was now made by union labor, I wonder if Castrol would give it away for free with a case of oil...and we know that most shirts for the masses are made in China or Thailand or Bangladesh (Van Heusen) because labor here is too expensive...I am sure the union did the shirtmakers what the UAW did to the automakers... gagrice: "99% of Americans that they are appalled to find that is what has brought GM and Chrysler to bankruptcy"...that is what I mean...up until now, the average American knew as much about the UAW and their faults as I know about nuclear physics...now, with the publicity, the average Joe making $12-20/hour is quite knowledgeable that he is paying taxes to bailout workers with less skill than him, to maintain their pay at a level far above his, and I am sure he is upset...with the number of $70/hour floating around, I am sure the average guy is wondering with that kind of pay, how come his Big 3 cars over the last 25 years have been junk, and now he knows (lemko excepted...I think GM should erect a "Gratitude Statue" to lemko for his undying loyalty, yet his sheer ignorance as to why others now avoid GM like the bubonic plague)... I think the curtain has been pulled back on the UAW, and the nation has found out that the emperor has no clothes...the UAW had it good, yet they are too stupid to know when to stop, so they drove the final nail in the coffin and will lose 1000s more jobs, and still have no idea why...rocky needs to stop talking about how intelligent they are, because the UAW makes my dog look smart, and I don't mean to insult my dog...
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Replying to: marsha7 (May 16, 2009 8:28 am) They've been trying but with these UAW sculptors it's taking a while. |
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Replying to: kipk (May 15, 2009 3:03 am) Did it ever occur to you that if everything we consume were made here at union pay, then the common folk would be able to afford all the necessities in life and some of the luxuries, only because they would be paid a union wage????
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Replying to: m4d_cow (May 15, 2009 4:37 am) (sigh.....) Another one......Would everything cost 10 times as much? Quite possible. But the bigger picture is how would everybody's standard of living be? We could, in effect, go back to prices of the 1920's, along with those wages as well (would we accept 25 cents/hr?) but, again, if we could afford a $750 new car on that wage, or buy a small ranch house, then everything would be fine. My wife's grandmother remarked the other day how hard her father had it (he had to take care of 4 girls and a very sick wife). She said that it was very difficult for him doing all that, and paying a $3,000 mortgage all on $16/wk. I could concur that it was a very difficult life, but financially, if you look at the figures, it WAS doable back then. A $25/mo mortgage for a blue collar worker making $16/wk (not the $25/wk that Ford's employees made). Today, around here, that $3,000 house would cost close to $300,000. But, how many blue collar workers can say they bring home $1,600/wk for that $2,500/mo mortgage? Hell, how many college grads can lay claim to that?? Where is the standard of living comparability today as opposed to 80 years ago? I'll tell you where, it's in China and India. |
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