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Using that criteria, one could expect that a new auto plant from any import will not be set up in the Midwest for about, oh, 1000 years, because they have been contaminated by the UAW and it has affected their DNA...just listen to the UAW people here who continually justify workers with no skills making over 3 times what other unskilled workers make, and yet they believe they are underpaid...their entire mindset is that anyone who does not have a 5000 sq ft home on the lake with 2 jetskis, two Caddys in the 3 car garage, and at least one summer home in the mountains is practically starving and deprived...oh, and none of them should have to pay a dime toward their health insurance premiums nor should they pay any deductibles or copays...they absolutely screamed when they had to start paying a copay of a couple of bucks a visit... They simply have been insulated from reality, and suddenly someone is blowing the door off the airplane hangar and the sunshine is blinding them, as they have never seen so much reality at once...if you want an example of how little they know about reality, they are more insulated from the real world than Paris Hilton... |
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Replying to: marsha7 (May 15, 2009 3:59 pm) I mostly shop at thrift shops. I have a list of top brand Hawaiian shirts MADE IN HAWAII, that I watch for. I bought two Kahala's last week for $6. One looked like it had never been worn. I wear Hawaiian shirts about 75% of the time. T-shirts the rest. I have pants that are at least 10 years old that are still like new. I mostly wear shorts. I have not bought any for at least 10 years. I have never bought any cloths at Walmart. Everything I buy there is Made in USA. Wine, plants, birdseed. If they were to become UAW I would have to shop elsewhere. Of course they would be out of business in 6 months. those gold-plated health and retirement benefits that sound so good are simply not affordable The idea of an unskilled worker retiring at 50 years of age with a fat pension is so far removed from 99% of Americans that they are appalled to find that is what has brought GM and Chrysler to bankruptcy. I talked to a guy from Pittsburgh today that would like to retire next year when he turns 70 years of age. He is out visiting his son and family. Our Union eliminated their retirement at 45 the year I turned 45. I could have taken it. I would be a Walmart greeter getting by on much less than I now have. |
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Replying to: roadburner (May 15, 2009 6:35 pm)  Gee, Bob, you've successfully made Paris Hilton sound like Einstein by comparison with UAW. And Steve, you're not telling me that a 1987 t-shirt is still in like-new condition, are you? |
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From Steve's link: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a5dC6O3Z2H.Y&refer=us "The Detroit-based union also agreed to accept a 55 percent stake in the new company to fulfill half of the automaker’s $10.6 billion liability to a union retiree health-care fund." Is this saying that 55% of the "New" Chrysler would belong to the union? And that would be used to deal with half the health care liability? Don't see how a company could stay in business that way. I'm really confused on this. Any help or thoughts most appreciated. Kip
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Replying to: steve_ (May 15, 2009 1:06 pm) My T-shirt story starts with a Crazy Shirt I bought in Kona in the late 1970s. I wore that shirt until it was threadbare. Crazy shirt's used to be guaranteed for life. So I took it back in the 1990s and traded it for a new one. It never was the same. Should have kept the original. Speaking of high labor costs. Crazy Shirts was forced into bankruptcy in 2001. The new owners moved the factory out of CA and back to Hawaii. They are now making a good profit again. States like CA and Michigan will not be satisfied until they have driven every industry out of their states with over regulation, high taxes and OVER PAID UNSKILLED WORKERS. |
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Replying to: kipk (May 16, 2009 2:49 am) Don't feel alone being confused. If VEBA owns 55% of the stock, is it worthless under bankruptcy. If not and they are now in control, who would be crazy enough to invest in such a losing venture? Oh, I forgot Obama will keep investing OPM (Other People's Money). Keep the UAW afloat no matter what the cost to the US Tax Payers. |
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my wife (girlfriend at the time) had a red T-shirt she got from Castrol Oil that said..."You Ought to Change Your Oil"...I assume it was made in America back then...she threw it out 2 years ago, after 29 years and the dye had faded and it was threadbare...(seeing her in a threadbare shirt is a topic for another time...   ...)...yes, it was a quality shirt, and back in the 70s, I do not know how unions had affected the shirt industry, so I do believe we make them better... But, things have changed...if the shirt was now made by union labor, I wonder if Castrol would give it away for free with a case of oil...and we know that most shirts for the masses are made in China or Thailand or Bangladesh (Van Heusen) because labor here is too expensive...I am sure the union did the shirtmakers what the UAW did to the automakers... gagrice: "99% of Americans that they are appalled to find that is what has brought GM and Chrysler to bankruptcy"...that is what I mean...up until now, the average American knew as much about the UAW and their faults as I know about nuclear physics...now, with the publicity, the average Joe making $12-20/hour is quite knowledgeable that he is paying taxes to bailout workers with less skill than him, to maintain their pay at a level far above his, and I am sure he is upset...with the number of $70/hour floating around, I am sure the average guy is wondering with that kind of pay, how come his Big 3 cars over the last 25 years have been junk, and now he knows (lemko excepted...I think GM should erect a "Gratitude Statue" to lemko for his undying loyalty, yet his sheer ignorance as to why others now avoid GM like the bubonic plague)... I think the curtain has been pulled back on the UAW, and the nation has found out that the emperor has no clothes...the UAW had it good, yet they are too stupid to know when to stop, so they drove the final nail in the coffin and will lose 1000s more jobs, and still have no idea why...rocky needs to stop talking about how intelligent they are, because the UAW makes my dog look smart, and I don't mean to insult my dog...
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Replying to: marsha7 (May 16, 2009 8:28 am) They've been trying but with these UAW sculptors it's taking a while. |
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Replying to: kipk (May 15, 2009 3:03 am) Did it ever occur to you that if everything we consume were made here at union pay, then the common folk would be able to afford all the necessities in life and some of the luxuries, only because they would be paid a union wage????
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