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Replying to: lemko (May 14, 2009 10:25 am)  If all that stuff was made here at union pay, nobody could afford it, except maybe UAW workers. Then the plants would close and workers out of work. Then the companies would open plants in other countries, so they could make a profit. Sound familiar? Kip |
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Replying to: kipk (May 15, 2009 3:03 am) "Panasonic expects that the economic environment in fiscal 2010 will be more severe than the past fiscal year, as the global recession and shrinking demand triggered by the financial crisis coincide with changes in market structure, including the expansion of emerging markets and a shift to lower-priced products," it said in a statement. Regards, OW |
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Replying to: lemko (May 14, 2009 10:25 am) Right. But you forgot to add: everything will cost at least 5 times as much.  (or is it 10 times?)
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Replying to: roadburner (May 14, 2009 3:35 pm) LOL, I gotta start doing the same. 
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Replying to: tlong (May 14, 2009 9:22 pm) See, tlong, you should try telling that in front of Rocky. He's still stuck in his dream that UAW built cars are superior.
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Replying to: kipk (May 15, 2009 3:03 am) Then the companies would open plants in other countries, so they could make a profit. Sound familiar? Yeah, I wholeheartedly tried to explain the same thing months ago. Glad to see someone else having the same thoughts as mine. 
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Replying to: lemko (May 14, 2009 10:25 am) When started in 50s, UAW outrageus pay was only possible because of monopolistic position of D3. It was exactly the unfairness and inequality of their position vs. rest of the country (ability to pass any excess cost on the consumer) that allowed them to collect those paychecks. When the monopoly was broken by imports, it had to change. But it didn't and once mighty companies are now shadows of themselves. I say it laud and clear: I don't give a dime for welfare of those 1-2 milion people affected by this crisis. Remaining 250+ milion Americans are much more important to me - and they benefit far more from better product manufactured more efficiently and more sold at lower price rather than overpriced piece of garbage - even if that product is to be build in Mexico, Brasil, Japan, Korea, Germany, or even China rather than here. Same pertains to any other product. Truth is simple and it hurts: either make it better, cheaper than others or move over and make room for those who can. No society ever prospered from supporting mediocrity. |
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Replying to: dino001 (May 15, 2009 4:48 am) In 1964 I wanted a new jeep type vehicle. The only one I could afford working at the phone company was a Toyota Land Cruiser. The Jeep was about $3500 and I paid $2400 for the new LC. So even back then the UAW was making the Domestics unaffordable for the average working man. That would be me at the phone company. Someone posted wages for UAW workers at that time. They were about 50% higher than mine. That corresponds to the difference in vehicle prices. So this has been a slow bleeding process the UAW has done to the Domestics. I personally could care less about the UAW workers. They did this with full knowledge that they were WAY OVERPAID for their unskilled positions. The UAW had the chance in 1998 to do the right thing and offer to take a cut in pay to keep jobs in the USA. They instead opted to strike costing GM $20 Billion. They did the same thing in 2005, 2007 & 2008. The sooner the UAW is decimated the better off the USA will be. More than likely my next vehicle will be built in Germany. As they are the only country with the foresight to offer diesel vehicles to the USA.
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Replying to: gagrice (May 15, 2009 5:04 am) What the hell was in that Jeep to make it so expensive? The only reference points I have from my family around that rough timeframe was a 1963 Mercury Monterrey 4-door hardtop that my Granddad bought new for about $3500, and a new 1966 Pontiac Catalina convertible that my Mom bought for around $3200. Compared to that, $3500 for a jeep just sounds extravagant...unless it was a well-equipped 4wd Wagoneer or something.
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"Just think, if all that stuff was made here - NOBODY would be out of work!" ...this naive thinking goes back to my shirt-making example...if union labor made shirts, then the shirts WalMart sells for $12 would probably cost $30...so, since everyone is on a limited budget, except Bill gates, the guy who has $60 to spend on shirts will either buy 5  $12 or 2 $30...fewer shirts sold, fewer shirts made, fewer people to make them... What union people need to understand is simple...they are now worthless and obsolete...they WERE needed, no, ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, in the 30s and 40s, but, like buggy-whip makers, they are no longer needed and they are a hindrance to corporate profitability...I am amused at the absurdity of unionizing gov't employees...why the union, are they going to work for some OTHER gov't??? While management has its faults (Aztec, Roadmaster, Gremlin, Pacer) the UAW set world records for poor workmanship, lousy work attitude, and lowest levels of intelligence exhibited by adult workers (by striking the only GM plants making money...how rocky calls them intelligent is beyond me)...what turned Americans away was poor workmanship...when they believe that the imports are better, they buy imports...UAW did nothing to try and change that attitude, but they did everything in their power to make sure that workmanship was substandard...after all, they were getting back at "the man"...did I mention their sheer ignorance and stupidity???...that getting back at "the man" meant their jobs disappeared into thin air, but they strike because THEY are the ignorant sheeple..
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