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Replying to: wjtinatl (May 14, 2009 3:28 pm) 
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circle: "If the idiots at the D3 invested the wasted money on UAW contracts into flexible and highly automated plants and produced cars better than the rest..."...Roger Smith, CEO of GM, 1981-1990, tried to automate plants with as many robots as possible, hoping to create the non-human auto plant...whether the software was bad or it was just too soon for robots, but he tried... gagrice: "Well do you want to keep unskilled jobs in this country or don't you? I cannot affor a yacht either. I doubt any of the guys building yachts can afford them. Where does it say in the Constitution you have to be able to have everything?"...that is the other problem...people often work making something that they may not be able to afford...yachts, STS-V, high-end shotguns, etc...there is no law that says that you have to afford everything...the better law is that you are paid what you are worth, and, as the evidence shows, the UAW are not worth it...yes, I know Henry Ford paid his people so they could afford his product, but that does not mean they could afford a Packard or Duesenberg, but they could afford a base Ford...it is not that the pay is too low, it is that the car they WANT costs too much... UAW people are starting to see reality and it hurts, but they have been spoiled children for so many generations, it is in their DNA, they really believe that someone sweeping floors is worth $35/hour as though money grows on trees...those trees are rotting away, faster than anyone thought... I wonder what the feeling is out there in the nation...folks who never knew that UAW made our cars or that they were paid like no other unskilled labor, suddenly know what is going on, and the curtain has been pulled back from the Wizard...now, how many people who would have bought Big 3 will avoid them after understanding the shenanigans going on with overpaid floorsweepers???...if sales fall further, you might see the UAW down to 2 locals and 17 members...wouldn't THAT be heaven??? |
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Replying to: gagrice (May 14, 2009 3:17 pm) That is the essence of the problem. In a "normal" free market, the auto companies would pay what the market would bear, and they would still be making lots of cars here. The UAW in their greed has limited the natural ability of the job market to adjust to prevailing conditions of the workforce. The salaries and benefits are artificially inflated and the ability of the D3 to adapt is limited. The only sensible choice is for them to outsource more work to non-UAW locations. The irony is that the non-UAW car companies (foreign nameplates) are happily building plants in this country and making good products right. It's just the American makes that can't do that competitively. Thanks UAW for helping the American economy!
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Replying to: imidazol97 (May 14, 2009 4:12 am) |
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Replying to: lemko (May 14, 2009 10:25 am)  If all that stuff was made here at union pay, nobody could afford it, except maybe UAW workers. Then the plants would close and workers out of work. Then the companies would open plants in other countries, so they could make a profit. Sound familiar? Kip |
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Replying to: kipk (May 15, 2009 3:03 am) "Panasonic expects that the economic environment in fiscal 2010 will be more severe than the past fiscal year, as the global recession and shrinking demand triggered by the financial crisis coincide with changes in market structure, including the expansion of emerging markets and a shift to lower-priced products," it said in a statement. Regards, OW |
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Replying to: lemko (May 14, 2009 10:25 am) Right. But you forgot to add: everything will cost at least 5 times as much.  (or is it 10 times?)
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Replying to: roadburner (May 14, 2009 3:35 pm) LOL, I gotta start doing the same.
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Replying to: tlong (May 14, 2009 9:22 pm) See, tlong, you should try telling that in front of Rocky. He's still stuck in his dream that UAW built cars are superior.
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Replying to: kipk (May 15, 2009 3:03 am) Then the companies would open plants in other countries, so they could make a profit. Sound familiar? Yeah, I wholeheartedly tried to explain the same thing months ago. Glad to see someone else having the same thoughts as mine. 
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