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Replying to: PMO (May 04, 2009 12:36 pm) Machines break when idiots operate and sabotage them. They thought they were getting to the man (GM, Ford, Chrysler management). Too dumb to realize they were poisoning the goose. I DON"T CARE that GM will eventually close all plants in Canada. I would much rather buy cars built here by American workers; Even though the Head Quarters may be Foreign. For me, that is better than buying one that was built by workers outside the USA. Hopefully the B3 will be able to rid themselves of the UAW/CAW anchors and be able to emerge as a profitable company, with workers that actually care about their product. Workers that understand they are only "Entitled" to an honest days pay for an honest days work. That's all! As far as Canada shipping oil to the USA goes, Why don't you see if you can get a movement started to "shut off the tap", as you have suggested. Then just maybe we would begin to tap American resources and put a bunch of Americans to work. Then we could stop importing oil and cars from a Canada that hates us. (according to you)  You say GM would never have existed without Canada. Well since y'all invented GM, how is that working out for ya? Good luck with your new car company.  Kip
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Replying to: PMO (May 04, 2009 12:36 pm) |
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Replying to: kipk (May 04, 2009 2:16 pm)
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I did a walk on our block in Southern California yesterday and did an informal inventory of every vehicle I could see in driveways and parked on the street. This is an upper-middle class neighborhood. It's a good example of why the UAW, and GM particularly is failing. I've bolded the vehicles that I believe are UAW made. I'll put some comments and observations at the end of the list. Make/Vehicle - Type - Count Vans Chevy Van - van - 1 Dodge Caravan - van - 1 GMC Vandura? - van - 1 Honda Odyssey - van - 2 Mazda5 - Micro van - 1 Toyota Sienna - van - 1 Sedans Acura TL - sedan - 1 Audi A4 - sedan - 1 BMW 3series - sedan - 1 Chevy Impala - sedan - 1 Honda Accord - sedan - 1 Honda Civic - sedan - 2 Infiniti G37 - sedan - 1 Lexus ES350 - sedan - 1 Lexus LS4xx - sedan - 2 Mercedes sedans (various) - 2 Nissan Altima - sedan - 1 Nissan Maxima - sedan - 2 Toyota Corolla - sedan - 1 Toyota Camry - sedan - 3 VW Jetta - sedan - 2 VW Passat - sedan - 1 Volvo S40 - sedan - 1 Hatchbacks Chrysler PT Cruiser - hatchback - 1 Lexus SC430 - hatchback - 1 Mitsubishi Eclipse - hatchback - 1 Scion XB - hatchback- 1 Toyota Prius - hatchback - 2 SUVs Acura MDX - SUV - 2 Ford Explorer - SUV - 1 Ford Expedition - SUV - 1 Hyundai Santa Fe - SUV - 1 Jeep Patriot - SUV - 1 Lincoln Navigator - SUV - 2 Porsche Cayenne - SUV - 1 Trucks Chevy 1500 - truck - 2 Chevy S10 - truck - 1 Dodge Ram - truck - 2 Ford F150 - truck - 2 Sports cars Chevy Corvette - sports car - 1 Some statistics: Total vehicles - 54 Percent UAW made - 33% UAW percent (sedans and hatchbacks) - 7% UAW percent (SUVs and Trucks) - 75% Foreign nameplates - 65% US nameplates (incl Volvo) - 35% Observations: Only 1 sedan out of 24 is a US nameplate All of the trucks were US nameplates No Cadillacs or Buicks Surprisingly no CRVs or RAV4s (but there are some on the next block) Percent of GM vehicles - 13% Fewer Accords and Camrys than I expected The US makers really need to learn to make some good sedans. Nobody is buying them around here.
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Replying to: tlong (May 04, 2009 11:13 pm) I'd go take a survey but it's after midnight.  In the news: "UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said workers will receive about 75% of regular pay, but added, "It's certainly not a paycheck." The additional worker and dealer sacrifices come after the UAW agreed last week to accept stock in a reorganized Chrysler in lieu of cash payments to fund a retiree health care (VEBA) fund and freeze wages through September 2011. Hourly retirees have expressed worry that their health care benefits may be cut. "This VEBA is going to be on life support initially," Gettelfinger said, "but if" Fiat Chief Executive Sergio "Marchionne comes in here and turns this company around, then we will be in good shape." Chrysler workers and sellers to feel pinch (Detroit Free Press)
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Replying to: motorcity6 (May 04, 2009 9:48 am) Meanwhile Ford's success will bring the wrath of govt down on them, for they can't be allowed to succeed w/o some Tarp.. The UAW members read only the $$$$s on their paychecks, and their writing skills could be limited to endorsement of the paycheck..The balance of the time they exercise the use of an "X".. " Gotta agree with all of that! Especially this. If Ford doesn't accept some TARP and let Obama in the door, then Ford will be in competition with the government, proving their own agenda, as well as the other auto mfg.. Government can print the money, continue to Subsidize GM, sell cars at a loss, and undercut Ford pricing until they are forced to take the money and be part of the government takeover of big business. Scary! Kip |
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