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Replying to: gagrice (May 04, 2009 6:12 am)
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Replying to: kipk (May 04, 2009 7:39 am)
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Replying to: PMO (May 04, 2009 7:43 am) I am sure my 1988 GMC 3/4 ton 4X4 was built in Canada. It was the extended cab and a very good truck. I sold it to my Brother in law who may still have it in Alaska. The same goes for my 1990 3/4 ton 4X4. Very good trucks. The whole GM PU truck business went in the toilet about 1998. Oh, by coincidence that is when the UAW got greedy and "Brought GM to their Knees". They were not making a decent profit in 1998 and it was all down hill quality wise from that point on. No matter where the UAW/CAW built them My 1998 Suburban built in Mexico was the last decent GM truck I owned. The currency was the other way around in the 1970s. Just the luck of the draw.
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Replying to: PMO (May 04, 2009 7:55 am) I understand completely. I think it was Lee Iococca that made the comment that UAW workers could not read at a 3rd grade level. I guess that includes WRITING and Spelling. I think what you are conveying is just confirming what most of US already knew. Union Auto workers were over paid for the skill levels. Now that they have killed the Golden Goose they are trying to justify their extravagant wages and benefits. Both on the job and in retirement. |
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Replying to: PMO (May 04, 2009 7:24 am) Saturn was a sorry mistake by Roger Smith, for most of it's parts were supplied by the GM organization and costs were buried internally..It started out as a crummy car, and never caught my attention..Whatever the UAW experience was sure didn't do much for GM.. With the UAW taking over operations, and Obama running the show, we will be shown how not to do things, however TARP money is being funneled through 4 banks which undermines our entire private banking system and should be stopped by investor lawsuits..Time will tell. Meanwhile Ford's success will bring the wrath of govt down on them, for they can't be allowed to succeed w/o some Tarp.. The UAW members read only the $$$$s on their paychecks, and their writing skills could be limited to endorsement of the paycheck..The balance of the time they exercise the use of an "X".. I don't think our president realizes that the Prius hybrid is sold at a great $$$ loss to Toyota, however the sales of their P/U's offset the red ink..Wasn't the Chev Volt to be priced around $40k ??? Obama is keeping the UAW alive with hope and change, and the American investor is bleeding from all this muck..
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"I do not know what the payback period is, or even if there is one, when a locality agrees to forgo taxes, adds massive financial incentives such as free land, builds new roads or power plants, etc, just to land a new industry."... I do have THE answer, srs, but I do have some random thoughts...usually, the land used for the plant is in the middle of nowhere, so the cost of land is cheap, and it probebly was not producing much in ppty tax as farmland...so, giving a 10 year tax exemption probably costs the state/county nothing, as they received nothing before the plant was built...so, now we have roadways, railways, utilities...since they are usually off the interstate, the cots of the exits and 3 lane roads is also "nominal" compared to what the construction will bring in terms of jobs and payroll...I don't know who pays for railroad track, but if that much material goes in and out of the plant, I still believe that the cost of track is nominal, same with utilities...how hard is it to sink fiber optic lines for TV and telephone...I'd ask gagrice, but he ONLY knows how to do it in 60 below zero weather in the ice and snow, ordinary dirt may be "too easy" for him...  ... So, the actual "loss" to the state may be quite nominal compared to the millions of $$$ in payroll, plus the stores (convenience, grocery, bars) that grow up around the plant, plus the suppliers...if GM going under has a ripple effect, this would be the exact opposite, where the ripple effect is a tidal wave of economic activity where there was only farmland before... Interesting letter in today;s Atl paper, about a guy who is fed up with the UAW (no, not me), and has purchased his last Big 3 vehicle, a minivan...when this van wears out, he is probably going to imports...sounded like the posters here that rocky does not "get"...multiple this guy by millions, and you will see why GM is no longer viable...this letter writer blamed the UAW (rightly or wrongly) and is going to imports because he is tired of union demands... UAW better wake up, or there will only be a smaller GM for a year or two, and then it is Chapter 7 liquidation, and ZERO union jobs...they will never get it... gagrice...it WAS Iaccoca who lamented that UAW workers could not read a simple sign that said "Keep your arms and hands out of these machines"...don't forget, these are the same people that rocky says were superiorly educated by the Michigan public school system...
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Replying to: PMO (May 04, 2009 7:55 am) gagrice: >"I understand completely. I think it was Lee Iococca that made the comment that UAW workers could not read at a 3rd grade level. I guess that includes WRITING and Spelling" Absolutely PMO: >"Then you understand the Auto workers went to work in the winter months in the dark and came home in the dark , had no mind of their own .... There ya go! Yep, I was sometimes there before the workers, getting a piece of equipment running at Hapeville Ford Plant, Lakewood Chevy Plant and Doraville BOP Plant. I often times worked longer hours, and made a lot less money than my UAW friends. I also serviced equipment at suppliers for those plants. Their pay scale and bennefits were nowhere near that of UAW workers. When the various UAW plants folded, it created hardships for those suppliers, but they discovered other avenues, and most are still in business. So is the company I worked for that pays my pension. You discredit the B3 for moving facilities to other countries like Mexico. What about when they open plants in Canada? That is a foreign country also. And they hate us according to you. In reality, the cars/trucks built by CAW are imports when sold here. Think about that when you decide to criticize us for buying non domestic vehicles. Why would we want a health system like Canada's. Canadians by the thousands come here every year for health services. For years Canada has had a "welcome all" policy toward immigration. The young people are leaving in large numbers and coming here for jobs and better living conditions.. There are not enough young people staying to take over as the seniors retire. So Canada welcomes anyone with a pulse. No matter their country of origin. Although lately they are beginning to see the error of their ways according to a news report I saw recently. HonToy and others build plants in the Southern states so they can get good, hard working, people at a wage the manufacturers can afford to pay and still build a high quality car. Those workers are able to buy a home and pay for it. They are also able to have a lot of the "Extras" they want. Those are good jobs for high school graduates. They are proud of the products they build. Kip
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