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Re: OTOH... [iluvmysephia1]
by PMO
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May 03, 2009 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (May 03, 2009 4:04 am)
I agree with you 100% you can't get any thing in America worth the money and the reason Americans build crap. Oh yes we put man on the moon ( I think ) That was because we used the German rocket science and their Smarts and brought Canadians in from their Airow space program when America refused the Avrow CF105 putting them out of work. Then our Electronics were sent to Japan because we couldn't find technical people in America. The Car issue is the biggest farce GM in the beginning was a holding Company and didn't have a Car . Canada had bought Buick Motors from Dorant to build cars called McLaughlins in 1907 for 1908 .Dorant with a 14 year contract in hand from Canadian Builder started GM in 1908 with the purchase of Buick Motor company . He Got his butt kicked out of GM still holding on to a place on the Board , he Started with Lew Chevrolet to build Chevrolet in 1911 it didn't go far until he had McLaughlin build Chevrolet in Canada in 1915 , He was able to use his shares along with the Chevrolet built by Mclaughlin in Canada to regain his place in GM. and in 1918 purchased less than half of the McLaughlin Company for GM to Become Known as GM Canada after that all the Mclaughlin Built cars were know as Buicks built by GM. This is a little known fact .if you think about it America got this wrong too. GM realy started in Canada with McLaughlin in Oshawa Ontario Canada. Then Bell telephone . Canadian inventor couldn't sell his idea in Canada, after being in Canada he was from Scottland and went to the USA and this became known as an American invention. The world trade desided many years ago to use a standard called the Metric systmn, good for them America could not figure how this would be good for them so in the building of the Auto the manufactures did everything in metric the screws bolts and the Blue prints. America not knowing how this worked when building a car in America(sucked) because their thinking to change Metric to Thousands to build Dies was easier than learning Metric . (wrong) Now comes the Kicker when Toyota and Honda built their plants in the South the Engineering People were from Japan because the educated Americans were not up to building in the South something of this Industry ( Shelby knew he OK'd the Japanies to build the plants) Now you have people in the plants in Honda and Toyota that build cars of the Value America Wants putting Cheep labor in the South with Japanies overseers ( just like Slaves on the line no Chains but No Union either) you get what you pay for even if it comes out of sweat shops in India or China and now in America.
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Re: PMO [marsha7]
by PMO
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May 03, 2009 (8:57 am)
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Replying to: marsha7 (May 03, 2009 7:35 am)
I agree with your remarks and never was a wizard at typing either I have a problem getting anything across to Americans at the best of times . Please forgive me ! but what you see is what you get and for 70 it can't be that bad.
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PMO...
by iluvmysephia1
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May 03, 2009 (8:59 am)
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I'll tell ya what, the UAW must've let GM, Ford and Chrysler alone long enough to concentrate on building great cars with great body designs in the 1960's. I don't know what kind of Kool-Aid the Big Three was feeding their workers, then, but it worked.
BTW-there's been a lot of talk about the U.S. not really going to the moon. Do you think that mission really went down like we all saw on TV? Or was it staged? Many are coming to think that it was staged. I honestly don't really know. I need to listen to Art Bell/George Noory and get an update. Richard Hoagland would be the guest Art would bring on the show to edumacate us all on that mission. I can't remember what R.Hoagland's viewpoint was on that mystery, but he is a former NASA worker and probably believes it was real and not a hoax.
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Re: PMO... [iluvmysephia1]
by steve_ HOST
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May 03, 2009 (9:17 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (May 03, 2009 8:59 am)
If you believe that the US didn't go to the moon you probably believe all those UAW workers in Normal Illinois at your beloved Mitsubishi plant would never fight for wage increase or go on strike either. 
And what does being 70 have to do with anything PMC? A lot of us are creeping up on you fast (or are right there with you). No excuses now.... 
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Re: PMO... [iluvmysephia1]
by PMO
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May 03, 2009 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (May 03, 2009 8:59 am)
In answer to your Question back then the Car divisions had their own Engineering people Oldsmobile and so on There was a great amount of pride in each division, GM went away from GMI this was Schooling for Engineers with contracts to GM for three years and after Their paths as Engineers were their choice.GM stopped this because the cost to them was to high ,then GM had CPC Chev/Pontiac/Canada then BPO buick /Pontiac /Oldsmobile GM ran Cadillac as a stand alone and people have no Idea Cadillac was built in Canada from1923 to 1936 also GM's greatest known car the LaSalle was built in Canada in1927 to 1935 we in Canada pride ourselves to the fact we are living in the biggest part of America and don't have to call ourselves Americans (We are Canadians) back to the build in the 50's it changed every second year for two years other than cosmetic changes the 60S cars were not changing as fast the cost of tooling was higher Engineering in the 90's was a bad deal GM relied on Universate Grads with no idea what a car was, to step in to an industry with no rudder. The Chief Engineering staff was retiring and the new hirees were about getting a job with no pension and no coverages on their retireeing. GM knew back then what was happening but in the 90's the average age of a retiree in the UAW or Caw was 65 and then GM payed out an average of 17 months with no clause for survivers. This ment the person who worked for GM say 40 years got a good pension for 17 months and died GM had nothing to pay for his wife to continue living.The union (thank God worked with GM and the 30 and out was won ),later came the surviver part and it costs me 135 per month out of my pension to give my wife the two thirds of my pension if I die.
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steve...
by iluvmysephia1
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May 03, 2009 (9:42 am)
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ahh....this one is actually kind of more interesting to this SE Arizonan than the Big 2 and a 1/2's current situation. What if, what if the Normal, IL, American Mitsubishi UAW-represented employee's strike the Normal factory operations? What if?
Since I love Mitsubishi's products, the whole ballgame once again involves the Seattle Sonic's, and becomes much more real to me, indeed. I can make more personal application of it.
And what, I do wonder, if the home Mitsubishi team back in Japan would slam the heavy gavel of fate down in their(UAW's) collective faces? Because Mitsubishi can not stand deprived profits at all now, really, and what automaker could? I have read that Mitsubishi Motors exists as a subordinate Company to the Mitsubishi Company, of Japan. Sounds simple, but, what they say happens is that if Mitsubishi Motors doesn't turn a profit, they go to Big Daddy Mitsubishi for handouts to keep them going, and Big Daddy, which is a huge Japanese shipping Company, simply writes off the losses. And they keep going on like that. However, I don't think that Big Daddy means that there's always a blank check available. And they're watching for eventual profits to appear, of course they are.
Could this really be rockylee's beloved UAW's best time to exist, when their threat of striking actually could halt up what little profits are out there being wrung free from American's tight fists, thereby making their Union-held belief system all that more tightly woven in their minds? As an advantage to them? I think so, friends. A strike now seems crazy, but, the UAW is not your ordinary housecat. This housecat looks at the Chow Chow and attacks them, doesn't run away.
I don't know about you, but I'm hearing that Alfred Hitchcock scary reet-reet-reet sound in my head as I type this out. 
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Re: PMO... [steve_]
by PMO
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May 03, 2009 (9:46 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (May 03, 2009 9:17 am)
Thanks , I do enjoy informing the people who need to know and would be glad to talk with any one who would listen. yes I have been called a few names but my information comes from being there . (P.S. my mother is 94 and still walks around the block walking with me and my dog)
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Re: rocky & gagrice [kipk]
by PMO
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May 03, 2009 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: kipk (May 03, 2009 4:41 am)
Sorry if this confuses you but Shelby is your man in the South who made sure Toyota and Honda located there with low wages to intice them into America ( what is the minimum wage in the USA or do you go by scale in each state working up from the South?)
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PMO...
by iluvmysephia1
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May 03, 2009 (9:57 am)
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bless your heart for keeping this coverage intact.
The union (thank God worked with GM and the 30 and out was won ),later came the surviver part and it costs me 135 per month out of my pension to give my wife the two thirds of my pension if I die.
For your wife's sake. When we pass(heaven forbid the thought) we must think about what remains of the estate for our spouses.
And, steve, to keep things on topic, the same goes for the spouses of the ordinary UAW workers, too.
Far better for me to strike you Mitsubishi and GM and Ford and Chrysler. 
BTW, PMO, what breed is your dog?
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Re: PMO [lokki]
by PMO
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May 03, 2009 (9:59 am)
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Replying to: lokki (May 03, 2009 7:41 am)
Nice place Ohio worked in Finley for a while at Budd plastics (for gm)it to was depressed for employeement .so good for Honda.
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