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Replying to: tlong (Apr 28, 2009 6:38 pm) The teachers in a school are professionals and the UAW workers are assemblers. The teachers with more years of experience, and who survived to hold those years rather than leaving teaching for a higher paid alternative profession or job, are much more effective at teaching and the ancillary things part of the job. I want my child in the classes with the most experienced teachers in our high school. BTW my wife is a retired teacher so I've been around those so-called "old dog teachers" via my wife's friends for years; I'll take the ones with experience. I realize the attempts to tie in AFT and NEA to the unions with UAW, but there are two different types of work in those two unions. E.g., I've watched a friend near death in the ICU for almost a week being treated by those highly paid nurses. Of course the hospital could just pick up workers at the local Lowes or temp agency and let them handle the life-saving job of a critically ill patient's care. Do the top nurses have a union? I don't care, but I've seen the same high intelligent decision making occur by the best nurses in the hospital. I'll take longevity over the younger ones I saw in the post surgical floors. Does that mean a higher seniority UAW worker provided value added to the job they were doing? Probably. But the younger workers could have been trained to do the same work in most of the cases, so seniority is not a factor. So we probably agree about UAW seniority not being meaninful, but criticizing teachers in a profession is different than someone pushing buttons and assembling parts.
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Replying to: kipk (Apr 29, 2009 5:34 am) Are you some sort of a consultant for people buying vehicles? The trick is to instill confidence in the customer that the product is the best there is, without appearing arrogant. Unfortunately some just can't seem to manage that. It really depends a lot on the customer too. I have been on the sales consultant side with my previous jobs and I can speak first hand that some Toyota Kool-Aid drinkers were so disrespectful to our products I was chewing my lip and eventually broomed them. I asked them what in the hell are you doing here if a Toyota is what you want???  So it works both ways. However I have played the consumer a few times "shopping" dealerships for my sales schools and we had this honda salesman so fired up it was hilarious when we told him we were looking at Chrysler's vans also. He started trashing his competition a big "No No" when selling cars.  In this area,Toyota tends to appear more arrogant than most others. For years they had one of the most reliable cars on earth. Not necessarily true any longer. On the other hand, Kia and Hyundai sales personal appear to be the most knowledgeable of their product line and the least "Pushy". They made reliable cars because when you went in for a oil change they were secretly being fixed to give that perception. Of the domestics, GM, especially trucks, act as though they have absolutely the greatest products on earth, and that is OK. Problem is, that I can do it their way or not at all. Chrysler product dealers seem more willing to work with the customer as well as being extremely knowledgeable. That really depends on the dealership. I don't trust one our local Chrysler stores. They will say anything to sell a car and it cost my mothers coworker a service visit because they told him a LTZ Impala in 2007 with a 3.9 V6 could run on E85 which wasn't the case. Biggest problem I have with the Domestics is the manufacturers unwillingness to help the customer with known problems after warranty. That depends on the dealership. Our import dealerships don't do it around here. That is why the warranty has limits. If highly recommend to customers Paint Protection and Extended Service Contracts. If you negotiate right you can get a good deal on them.  My brother got paint protection and extended service contract on his 08' Impala. I like the paint protection because you don't have to wax your car and trust me I'm a hot mess with wax.  Anything can go wrong with any vehicle. Regardless of the make. Many of the domestic and import parts come from the same vendors. They key is, how was the vehicle assembled in the first place and how does it and the manufacturer satisfy the customer down the road. True. I think it more so boils down to how it was designed and engineered. A vehicle made today is only as good as the material and parts that is put in them. if you buy cheap parts and cut corners your vehicle probably won't be a good one. I have a lot of confidence in what the Big 3 make today. The new 2010 Buick Lacrosse if I had the money for a daily driver would be at the top of my list.  I'm very likely going to get rid of the 04' Impala after my final divorce hearing on the 11th of next month and go after a low mileage car from the mid 90's that I can buy cheap until I get in a better financial situation. I would love to find a steal on a low mileage Aurora 4.0 but am open to other options. I just need to buy something for under $5K that will be reliable. I know it will be a hard find but I am up to the challenge. -Rocky |
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 28, 2009 8:12 pm) We were buying electronics and steel from Japan and Germany in the 1950s. Part of the rebuilding after WW2. So are we just going to roll over and die and allow this to happen? What choice is there? I thought Steak was the bulk of your diet? I use to eat lots of steak when the company paid for it. Sound familiar? |
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 29, 2009 6:06 am) Gagrice - So you are a meat eater. I thought most of you in California were veggie eaters. If you like good fish come to Michigan. Everyone has to try our Lake Perch at least once in there life. YUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMY!!!! -Rocky
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 29, 2009 6:22 am) True. I think it more so boils down to how it was designed and engineered. A vehicle made today is only as good as the material and parts that is put in them. if you buy cheap parts and cut corners your vehicle probably won't be a good one. I have a lot of confidence in what the Big 3 make today The same parts maker does the parts for BMW, MERCEDES, GM, and Chrysler cooling systems for HVAC and engine. So they make top quality parts for BMW and terrible parts for GM? NOT. Local Behr nee Chrysler plant lays off 40 more workers. Behr lays off 40 more workers |
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