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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 28, 2009 8:12 pm) |
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I would like to first say that I am sorry for those that have lost their jobs. My family in Detroit has been auto workers for many generations. I would like to share with you all a discussion we had at our last family reunion in 2002 there in Detroit. As I sat on the porch. I listened to my family brag about how great their vehicles were that they were building. And, then another family member would brag about how great the vehicles were that they were building. This went on for a good 2 hours. disputing on how great the ford was compared to Chevy at every level. The pride that they had was just dripping wet. And I was getting soaked. However, What they did not know. was, that I was the owner of a Ford F-150 .And, that I owned a Chevy before that. They were always breaking down. and, always at the most unpredictable times. I told my family that I was tired of the constant repair costs. I asked them. When are those people that run GM or Ford going to start building a great vehicle that is dependable in a good way. What I had was a hunk of junk! They should have rolled it into a junk pile after building it.And, that if something did not change where they worked. They will be losing many customers. Including me! I am sorry if this ruffles a few feathers out there. But, This was something that I felt needed to be said in hopes that things would be turned around for the better. Case in point! Take a good look at that new Chevy with the duramax and allison tranny. Sounds good huh? Then look at the so called leather interior. WTH? Only the front seats are leather? not the back seats The front seats headrests are plastic? And, they want $60,000 bucks for this? I don't think so! I hope they quit cutting corners on quality and start building fine vehicles again. American auto workers have always been the best and most reliable consumers of their own products. Who is going to buy all of those vehicles if all the workers are unemployed. I'll stay with Toyota! Why? you may ask! They hired many of the 1800 unemployed auto workers that were laid off by GM. Here is a message to those that are in charge of running those Companys. You have been kicked to the curb by me until you can show me that you are what you say you are. And quit cutting corners. Americans deserve better than that from an American made automobile manufacturer. AND, KICK THAT UAW TO THE CURB TOO! They are hurting the auto industry. can you not see that? Here is a challenge for you to chew on. Lets see what you got! We Americans want a 3/4 ton truck that gets 50 miles to the gallon hwy. 40 city. and, keep the price to around $23,000 Think your up to it? Or, is that too much to ask from a Company that Brags about being the best in the auto industry? You have some of the most gifted and. talented minds working there. LET THEM SHOW THEIR STUFF! This challenge is for FORD, GM, DODGE.
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 21, 2007 11:45 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Apr 28, 2009 8:41 pm) Is this really shocking too you?  -Rocky |
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Replying to: chetj (Apr 28, 2009 10:25 pm) -Rocky |
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Replying to: 2007_tundra (Apr 28, 2009 10:54 pm) Case in point! Take a good look at that new Chevy with the duramax and allison tranny. Sounds good huh? Then look at the so called leather interior. WTH? Only the front seats are leather? not the back seats The front seats headrests are plastic? And, they want $60,000 bucks for this? I don't think so! I hope they quit cutting corners on quality and start building fine vehicles again. And the foreign looking dash on the Tundra is a beacon of quality, eh? I'll take the fit and finish of the Silverado/Sierra combo over the Tundra any day.  Why don't you buy a 3/4 ton Tundra with a diesel??? Oops they don't make a diesel let alone a 3/4 ton. I'll stay with Toyota! Why? you may ask! They hired many of the 1800 unemployed auto workers that were laid off by GM. Got some proof to back that claim? Here is a message to those that are in charge of running those Companys. You have been kicked to the curb by me until you can show me that you are what you say you are. And quit cutting corners. Americans deserve better than that from an American made automobile manufacturer. AND, KICK THAT UAW TO THE CURB TOO! They are hurting the auto industry. can you not see that? Go visit the Tundra forum and look at all the upset customers. Plenty of recalls and quality issues especially on the 2007's Here is a challenge for you to chew on. Lets see what you got! We Americans want a 3/4 ton truck that gets 50 miles to the gallon hwy. 40 city. and, keep the price to around $23,000 Think your up to it? Or, is that too much to ask from a Company that Brags about being the best in the auto industry? You might see something like that 10 or 20 years from now. We don't have the technology to get there yet. If you think it can be done for $23K you are nuts. That is as much as a Prius and you want a 3/4 ton truck??? You better go see China or India. You have some of the most gifted and. talented minds working there. LET THEM SHOW THEIR STUFF! This challenge is for FORD, GM, DODGE. True but technology is expensive. It's called R&D and it ain't cheap to develop. -Rocky P.S. The back seats in the Duramax aren't plastic
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Replying to: 2007_tundra (Apr 28, 2009 11:38 pm) I've driven em' all and I beg to differ. The dash is a real "eye sore" in my eyes. How is that sub 14 mpg hwy treating you???  have many Family members that live in Detroit .and, have either retired or are working for one of the big three back there. I hope the big three can recover! and, show the world that they are # 1. I'm sure they are disappointed that you purchased a Toyota despite at that time a Silverado was the best truck on the market and arguably still is. Why would you pass up on a discount you would get from one of your relatives to buy a Tundra? You could buy a extended service contract and still have thousands in your pocket. They might recover but they are going to need help. Not just say it. but, prove it with a superior vehicle. Read my post called the challenge in the UAW section. We have so much talent and technology in this Nation. If we can put a man on the moon. we can build a 3/4 truck that gets 50 mpg on the hwy and 40 mpg in the city.or better. and gas powered! Not the battery crap either. I can appreciate your enthusiasm "2007_tundra" but the technology at this present momment doesn't exist and if you think it's possible in a 3/4 ton body without batteries and powered by gas I'm sorry you are going to be severely disappointed. A diesel gets better mileage than gas and with all the programmers and technology to tweak them you are only able to get about 26 mpg hwy. The 4.5L V8 Duramax that was suppose to go into the 1/2 tons might of pushed the 30 mpg mark. Getting to 40 let alone 50 mpg is technology limited. We've hit the ceiling without using another power source such as "cold fusion" -Rocky
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Here's an article OW posted in the GM forum. While unrelated, here is the latest recall from Toyota...hardly the same as an engine oil leak that could cause a fire. TORRANCE, California — Toyota on Monday said it is recalling 121,000 2008 Highlander and Highlander Hybrid vehicles in the U.S. because an optional stainless-steel exhaust tip may fall off. "Due to improper heat treatment, the original clamp used to secure the stainless-steel exhaust tip to the exhaust pipe may develop microscopic cracks," said Toyota Motor Sales USA in a statement. "If this occurs, the crack may expand, causing the clamp to break, and in the worst case, the exhaust tip may fall off." The Japanese automaker said there have been 10 reports of incidences of this condition in the U.S. It estimated that there are about 39,100 accessory kits that may be affected. "Because this accessory is installed at the Toyota vehicle processing centers and dealers, and is available over the counter, all of approximately 121,000 vehicle owners will be notified," Toyota said. The recall is expected to begin in early May. Owners can contact Toyota at (800) 331-4331. Regards, OW -Rocky
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 27, 2009 5:42 am) Spent a good deal of time over the past couple of years helping other folks with vehicle purchases. . . The trick is to instill confidence in the customer that the product is the best there is, without appearing arrogant. Unfortunately some just can't seem to manage that. In this area,Toyota tends to appear more arrogant than most others. For years they had one of the most reliable cars on earth. Not necessarily true any longer. On the other hand, Kia and Hyundai sales personal appear to be the most knowledgeable of their product line and the least "Pushy". Of the domestics, GM, especially trucks, act as though they have absolutely the greatest products on earth, and that is OK. Problem is, that I can do it their way or not at all. Chrysler product dealers seem more willing to work with the customer as well as being extremely knowledgeable. Biggest problem I have with the Domestics is the manufacturers unwillingness to help the customer with known problems after warranty. Anything can go wrong with any vehicle. Regardless of the make. Many of the domestic and import parts come from the same vendors. They key is, how was the vehicle assembled in the first place and how does it and the manufacturer satisfy the customer down the road. Kip
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