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"Weak door hinges which gagrice was talking about on his vehicle had a history of sagging down. The UAW worker didn't design those door hinges. They were crap which I agree. I owned a GMT-800 Chevy Silverado Sidestep and I can say as a owner I wasn'tsuper impressed with the fit and finish of those trucks"...that is simply the point...how many people, over the years since the 80s, have bought GM vehicles and were not "superimpressed" to use your words???...can you not see that your Big 3 basically drove (no pun intended) buyers into the arms of Toyota and Honda???...you talk about a little flaw here and a little flaw there...you have NOT paid attention at all...apparently many (millions?) of buyers will no longer consider a Big 3 car...why do you think that is???...does the concept of quality, or the lack of it, enter your mind???...don't you think they deserted the Big 3 for a reason???...have you any idea what it is??? You posted GM is #1...have you noticed that means absolute NOTHING since they have lost 40 Billion in the last 5-8 years???...do you understand what it means to lose money and how meaningless being #1 really is???...think of a baseball team that lost every game in a season but had the #1 home run hitter with 100 home runs...so what???...they have to win games and GM has really won nothing except Chapter 11... Just read in current Forbes that Buick sales have dropped 81% in the last few years...someone tell me why keep Buick as a separate division...aside from one model, 2010 LaCrosse, and we don't know how good it is yet (except rocky, who states that every GM model is the best in the world as they file for bankruptcy), one model cannot keep a division going...the crossover SUV (Acadia???) is another rebadged car from Chevy, what else is there for Buick (Forbes also said that Lucerne sales were quite low)??? Saab, Saturn and Hummer either sold or simply shut down...I maintain my prediction, Chevy, caddy and a truck division, pick your name of either Chevy Truck or GMC... In 90 days, GM will be the automotive equivalent of Pets.com, and they brouhgt it all on themselves...and anyone who thinks that the electric car will save them is on drugs...no one will buy them except Tom Hanks, Warren Beatty and Bill Gates...oh, and Al Gore... |
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 28, 2009 6:44 pm) Not really. It did not get close to EPA estimates for mileage around town. It was ok on the highway. I think it was mostly the crap ethanol gas in CA. I did not like the auto stop feature as it was dangerous on slippery surfaces. Just glad I found a happy new owner. Much better electronics than the Toyota. Probably made in China. I think the GMT-900 is the best made truck in the world. Again, that is nothing to brag about. I think all trucks have taken a dump over the last 10 years. They are just foo foo trucks for kids and wannabes. I want a solid built truck with strong bumpers. Not some plastic piece of crap truck. That I blame on management and not the UAW. Just so you know. |
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 28, 2009 7:05 pm) That's what we have been trying to tell you. The other companies left long ago. The migration started in the 1950s. The UAW workers should be happy they lasted the longest. Now it is their turn to look for a new career as so many others have done before them. If I would have stayed with the AT&T back in 1970 instead of quitting and going to Alaska for RCA, I would have been given an early retirement in the late 1980s. Those guys are all having to do WalMart greeter jobs to supplement their meager Pensions from AT&T. One of the guys I worked with got pushed out with 17 years service and when he turned 65 got $207 per month pension. He was 2nd level management at AT&T in their Denver Toll Center. He gets 10 times that with 24 years in the Teamsters. He is the one that just retired at 75 years of age. The UAW guys getting the golden parachutes should be counting their blessings. Most losing their jobs were not so lucky. how is this small business owner going to compete with the giant names at such a disadvantage? By giving good service to customers. Just like our little hardware store. It is more expensive. It is also 12 miles closer to home. We also do 90% of our grocery shopping at the local market that is not affiliated with any of the chains. They have good produce and that is the bulk of our diet.
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 28, 2009 7:58 pm) 50's??? Where did they go in the 50's??? People in the south were still driving horse and buggie and going to the rest room meant going out the backdoor outside in a wooden shack.  I thought Fintail said it started in the 1970's???  The UAW workers should be happy they lasted the longest. Now it is their turn to look for a new career as so many others have done before them. If I would have stayed with the AT&T back in 1970 instead of quitting and going to Alaska for RCA, I would have been given an early retirement in the late 1980s. Those guys are all having to do WalMart greeter jobs to supplement their meager Pensions from AT&T. One of the guys I worked with got pushed out with 17 years service and when he turned 65 got $207 per month pension. He was 2nd level management at AT&T in their Denver Toll Center. He gets 10 times that with 24 years in the Teamsters. He is the one that just retired at 75 years of age. So are we just going to roll over and die and allow this to happen??? Glad you made the right moves. It could of been the total opposite and you could of gotten screwed over worse if that was possible. Sounds like your AT&T friends got a screw job and I'm happy things worked out. Hope the union workers at AT&T have a better agreement now. The UAW guys getting the golden parachutes should be counting their blessings. Most losing their jobs were not so lucky. They are but most aren't happy about it. They wanted there kids and family to have the same opportunities as them. We are suppose to progress and not regress. As Duncan Hunter said it's a national security issue.  By giving good service to customers. Just like our little hardware store. It is more expensive. It is also 12 miles closer to home. We also do 90% of our grocery shopping at the local market that is not affiliated with any of the chains. They have good produce and that is the bulk of our diet. You might be able to do that with a hardware store but you will not survive in technology sectors like Tractors, Cars, Computers, etc by only having good customer service. If that was the case then Saturn who always ranked at the top wouldn't be getting the axe!  -Rocky P.S. I thought Steak was the bulk of your diet??? 
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gagrice is the farmer, not the cattleman, thus he eats like a farmer.  You aren't a vegetarian though, are ya gagrice? And did everyone catch this news today, UAW workers for Chrysler actually decided to take less pay and benefits? rock, could this really be true? It now sounds like creditors are forgiving some $5B large of Chrysler debt. Daimler is bought off and gone, and Fiat is still talking to them to strike a deal before their April 30 deadline. tick..tock...tick...tock. Things are looking up for Chrysler, at least more up than they looked like a week ago.
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