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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 19, 2009 7:08 am) I must of hit a nerve?  I was speaking about the facts. If you are truly that naive to say that the UAW didn't raise the standard of living for minorities in this country you are seriously ignorant. The UAW was one of the first major unions that was willing to organize African-American workers. The UAW rapidly found success in organizing with the sit-down strike — first in a General Motors plant in Atlanta, Georgia in 1936, and more famously in the Flint sit-down strike that began on December 29, 1936. That strike ended in February 1937 after Michigan's governor Frank Murphy played the role of mediator, negotiating recognition of the UAW by General Motors. The next month, auto workers at Chrysler won recognition of the UAW as their representative in a sit-down strike. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Auto_Workers http://www.uaw.org/about/uawmembership.html http://www.uaw897.com/Front%20Page/feb08/mlk_marching.html http://www.iamtheuaw.org/files/mlk1.JPG I rest my case!!!! Some day the reality will hit you. Those UAW workers in your family were at the TOP of the heap. The poor DID NOT benefit one iota as a result of the UAW workers making top tier wages. You are naive and blind. If it wasn't for organizations such as the UAW getting behind Dr. King minorities would still be slaves. They also benefited from the wages and benefits won by the UAW. I'm shocked you are arguing that especially one who was a former teamster.  The Teamsters faught for civil rights well right a long side of the UAW. Don't you know your unions history??? You really need to make that trip to Norway to learn the facts about living in a society where they tax the workers to death and the King rides around in luxury. If you want to drive in Norway you need to own the bank. Gas is the highest of any place on earth. Better get in shape as they will only let the janitors ride a bike. If they would even allow you to work there. I am very doubtful your blood lines will get you into that closed society. They have less than half the population of Michigan in the whole country. I could fly in and prove my heritage. Hell they have allowed some muslims to move in. You really need to practice what you preach to me regarding looking at history and getting the facts Ulabrand is my relative and my great-great grandfather was European Sailboat champion in years 1900, 1901, 1902, 1903, before coming to America because he was suppose to sail for Lipton Tea Company. I think Mr. Fintail like usual has fact found some of your rhetoric and propaganda. I guess all that ranting was for nothing, eh?  -Rocky |
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Replying to: chikoo (Apr 19, 2009 9:03 am) -Rocky |
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Replying to: chikoo (Apr 19, 2009 9:12 am) I am an Aryan, and bow my head to the Swastika everyday. Draw your own conclusions. Well I don't despite having NAZI relatives who died in Germany. I am not very sympathetic for them. How can you be such a free marketeer and not nationalistic and be a Nazi??? That again makes zero sense. If you would pick up your history book the Nazi Party was National Socialist German Workers' Party. I am pretty sure folks who think US is the world will rile up against me and try to ban me from this site. My argument is that learn world history before you even think of doing that. I agree you should read that history book again before posting.  Anyways, back to UAW, working class and equal rights. It is always a fight. Workers will fight with owners and vice versa to prove who is superior. I like that. But to come up with equality bs is just that...BS. You have to fight for equal rights or otherwise favoritism will prevail. There is no perfect way to judge who should and who shouldn't get a raise or the next job. The best proven approach while flawed is seniority and qualifications. We have seen in government and management that if you rub the right elbows you can become anything even if you aren't qualified. I personally think the majority of the world will contine to operate under that very flawed system of it's not what you know but who you know. Just my $0.02 -Rocky |
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What??? Boooming??? Are you nuts? 2004 to 2007 We were selling 16-17 million vehicles per year. I would call that booming. Why didn't GM make money when they were offering better deals than the Imports? Because they sold crap for the most part. Trust me dad would switch retirement benefits with you gagrice in a New York second. Did he put in 46 years on the job? I am sure many people would switch with me now. That is not rocket science. Where were they when we could not get help on the job? Too many wimps that do not want to work out splicing cable at 50 Below zero with the wind blowing 40 MPH. When people especially the oil companies have an outage of their telephones, it made NO difference how cold it was out side. You were expected to get the job done. FDR is arguably the greatest president of all-time. His job was simpler due to the fact that he wasn't competing on a global scale I would say getting US into a World War was on a global scale. He also made the deal with the Royal Saudi family to protect them with no time limit. In exchange World oil price would be in US Dollars. So you are right his Presidency was arguably one of Treason. I think the Depression was prolonged by FDR with his poor policies. We did not come out without WW2 and I think that was of his doing. We threatened Japan and they attacked. He knew ahead of time and did not warn the forces in Hawaii. He is just another of your misguided hero worship. the COL is still out of whack and hasn't adjusted to the conditions of this market. How much cheaper do you want things to go. You can buy a home in your beloved Detroit for a couple grand. You can afford that on Minimum wage. Well maybe in the South. Minimum wage in CA was the defacto for all entry level jobs. Unlike now when they pay $8 or more per hour at McDs. If you worked in a gas station, Store, wrecking yard it was a buck and a quarter. You were raised in a spoiled environment. Built on hot air and not solid ground. Now that the sand is washing out from under those jobs you want to cry foul. No one from the White House to Congress is listening. They have a more sizable voting bloc to woo. Think 10-30 million new citizens with the right to vote and go for your job.
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 13, 2009 1:18 am) Oh, you do an excellent job of putting them in their place already. Carry on the battle, soldier. 
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What??? Boooming??? Are you nuts? 2004 to 2007 We were selling 16-17 million vehicles per year. I would call that booming. Why didn't GM make money when they were offering better deals than the Imports? Because they sold crap for the most part. Trust me dad would switch retirement benefits with you gagrice in a New York second. Did he put in 46 years on the job? I am sure many people would switch with me now. That is not rocket science. Where were they when we could not get help on the job? Too many wimps that do not want to work out splicing cable at 50 Below zero with the wind blowing 40 MPH. When people especially the oil companies have an outage of their telephones, it made NO difference how cold it was out side. You were expected to get the job done. FDR is arguably the greatest president of all-time. His job was simpler due to the fact that he wasn't competing on a global scale I would say getting US into a World War was on a global scale. He also made the deal with the Royal Saudi family to protect them with no time limit. In exchange World oil price would be in US Dollars. So you are right his Presidency was arguably one of Treason. I think the Depression was prolonged by FDR with his poor policies. We did not come out without WW2 and I think that was of his doing. We threatened Japan and they attacked. He knew ahead of time and did not warn the forces in Hawaii. He is just another of your misguided hero worship. the COL is still out of whack and hasn't adjusted to the conditions of this market. How much cheaper do you want things to go. You can buy a home in your beloved Detroit for a couple grand. You can afford that on Minimum wage. Well maybe in the South. Minimum wage in CA was the defacto for all entry level jobs. Unlike now when they pay $8 or more per hour at McDs. If you worked in a gas station, Store, wrecking yard it was a buck and a quarter. You were raised in a spoiled environment. Built on hot air and not solid ground. Now that the sand is washing out from under those jobs you want to cry foul. No one from the White House to Congress is listening. They have a more sizable voting bloc to woo. Think 10-30 million new citizens with the right to vote and go for your job. |
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Replying to: fintail (Apr 19, 2009 7:12 pm) I agree it will probably get worse. It is no where close to the Great Depression. It is still a long ways from the late 1970s. Not sure what you were doing then. The family farmers were destroyed in the late 1970s. Most of the land was bought up cheap by the mega farms. If the government said it was 13% then it was probably more if what you are saying is correct. I know in Alaska we went through two real housing bubbles. 1978-80 the price of houses went down by 50%. They did the same in about 1991. Not sure about the rest of the country in 1991 as that was following the Gulf war. It killed property values in Hawaii also. My timing was good on those two places. Not so good on the current one in CA. Stuck with two houses and 3 mortgages. Good tax write-off is all that is good about it.
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Replying to: flip77 (Apr 19, 2009 9:31 am) We the tax payers are employing many rich people right now. It takes poor people to make money for the rich people aka "employers" thus your Misean economics while somewhat true are also flawed also. The poor people buy the majority of goods and services and should have a better say on what stays and what goes not the elites like we have now. Next time you are in a resturant...thank the server for great service then tell them you are going to give his tip to the unemployed pan handler on the street.....There's your Socialist society. I did exactly this to prove a point to a server wearing an Obama button.....I think she "got it" I doubt she did because if she would of been wearing a McSame button instead of it going to the pan handler out on the street it would instead go towards another bailout for the socialist for the wealthy neocon globalist. If I would of been your server that is what I would of told you. A government that takes from the productive to give to the unproductive will run out of productive people to take from.... You are right. I just wished you and your party would practice what you preach. The unproductive on Wall Street sucked $700 billion from the tax payers and now that Obama and this Congress want to track where that money is being spent or saved they are whining about it. They are making the pan handler out on the street look like money well spent.and it was a lot cheaper sending a few bucks to him so he/she can eat. I know this if the government takes more of my money...they will cause the letting go of one of my employees...I WON"T take a cut in pay. I will just let go of an employee...or raise prices to cover the added expense. Either way I'm not going to earn any less. I am the one who paid to send myself through school and joined the service to get the GI BIll. I am the one who lived in an apartment for 25 years trying to get my business off the ground. I finally have achieved success and even put my homes up as collateral to expand my business. Hired more employees and at 49 years old I make a good living and have taken care of my own retirement. No one will tell me how much my employees should make. They earn what they will work for and according to how VALUABLE they are individually. The same job could pay from $8 to $15 an hour. Favorites? YOU BET! The favorites are those who increase the business profit and generate more productivity. Those who don't get raises eventually quit. This ENSURES a highly productive workforce. Catch a clue......... But what if your business fails who's going to do the paying then??? -Rocky |
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Replying to: fintail (Apr 19, 2009 2:12 pm) -Rocky |
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Replying to: fintail (Apr 19, 2009 2:16 pm) Agree Oh yeah, what has the GOP "done for the poor"? That is a great question. Hell what have they done for working class people in general???? -Rocky
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