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Replying to: marsha7 (Apr 19, 2009 5:38 am) I sure hope so!!!  Maybe Beth has been wearing turtle neck sweaters...that is NOT the way to better sales... She looks hot in turtle neck sweaters but it's been way to warm around here to be wearing one of those. She looked very "hot" on Saturday when we went out.  This country grew over the last 2 hundred years by being as capitalistic as possible...your desire for more and more socialism is simply a flaw in the mind... It is the only alternative for people to regain control of there government and get a piece of the pie. The global capitalist don't have my best interests at heart.  In capitalism, there will be winners and losers...and the losers always say it isn't fair, but they never realize that the winners move us forward...Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Henry Ford, could they have thrived in a socialistic environment like Russia, (Norway, as you put it)???...I don't think so... Yeah they could because there are a lot of billionaires in Europe's socialistic society. I know Germany has a few multi-billionaires despite it's small size. The difference is they wouldn't be able to exploit the people quite as easily. The very fact that there are winners means that there will be losers...but losers in our form of capitalism still means that jobs will be had for the masses from the business, not from government 5-year plans...we are in a changing environment and I am of the thought that the gov't should step back and let capitalism and the market do what it will, rather than step in and control it... We have had deregulation for years now and look at where it's gotten us. The government needs to play a role in order to keep out the excesses "greed" of the elites. When people jobs are on the line they make sure things get done to keep the people happy. That is why I welcome more government involvement. More and more critical readings about FDR and the Depression say that FDR and his interventionism only prolonged the Depression and that WWII got us out of it...while we will never know the actual truth of the matter, it does make one wonder if FDR did nothing, would we have come out of it much sooner...after all, we had depressions in the century before FDR, and there was no gov't interference, and we never read about those, simply because they were nothing to be concerned with...I always wonder if the "Great Depression" would have been so "great" if FDR sat back and let market forces simply do what they do... Who says that the Misean Scholars you worship??? FDR is arguably the greatest president of all-time. His job was simpler due to the fact that he wasn't competing on a global scale and we didn't have the treasonist think tanks in power. People were proud to be and buy american back in those days. That is the main difference and we have lost that nationalism. And now you want even more socialism...I cannot respect that thought process...if Norway is so good, why don't you simply go there???...I am sure they can train you in some useful job... I would rather be a part of the movement here. -Rocky |
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 19, 2009 5:44 am) Well when I looked at going on vacation there a few years ago it was going to be $2400 bucks per person. We decided to just go to Michigan, instead. Funny your cousins moved to Canada, mine moved out of Toronto and now live in Branson, MO. They were so happy when they got their US citizenship. They want NO PART or a government sponsored health care plan. They been there and done that. The high taxes far out weighed the benefits in Canada. Yeah that is funny. Mine looked at it as this country is going to hell and despite the higher taxes the benefits out weighed the taxes. They are very happy they made the move. Just like the days of the buggy builders. Reality has changed. The dirty industry jobs in the USA are gone NEVER to return. And companies were bailing out of the Midwest in the 1960s for many and various reasons. The poor workforce being the leading cause. They found they could get the same level of unskilled labor in the South or out of the country as they could in the Midwest. By the way they started leaving PA long before they did the Midwest. Unfortunately you are only able to see one side of the coin. Perhaps you are right and they will never return. I'm holding out hope that they will. We just need somebody like Virgil Bernero to become president and it can be done. it's going to take a great leader with the masses behind him/her to accomplish that goal. -Rocky |
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 19, 2009 5:51 am) Ummmm I beg to differ. If we really counted everyone who has ran out of unemployment benefits the percentage would be A LOT higher. Were times tough back then??? I don't doubt it but not nearly as bad as they are today because at least back then if you acquired a job it paid something and the COL wasn't so out of whack. Now if you find a job it's going to be for a lot less than what you were making and the COL is still out of whack and hasn't adjusted to the conditions of this market.  -Rocky |
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 19, 2009 5:57 am)  -Rocky
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 19, 2009 5:46 pm) I also don't buy that income claim, seeing as Norway is a relatively well to do nation and has much less of an income gap than the US. Skilled worker making 9K per year? No. http://www.worldsalaries.org/norway.shtml
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 19, 2009 6:14 am) $781 for a round trip??? That is a lot cheaper than what I was looking at a few years ago.  What's this I want a King, I think we have one here??? The closest thing we have to a King here is Lebron "King" James  I can tell you that in the 1950s, 60s & 70s that a larger percentage of the population were working for minimum wage than now. Well maybe in the South. Going to the restroom also still meant going outside in a wooden upright box with a moon cut out on the door or did you guys have cess pools by then? I don't know if I buy that.  It was $1.25 when I first started working for someone else in 1957 at 14 years or age. Slave labor, that was me and thankful for the job. Benefits, what were benefits. You are still living in the dream world that was the Midwest. Though I believe if you were allowed to think for yourself as a child you would have been able to see all those NOT in the UAW were far less paid. A lot of people in manufacturing that were non-union made more money than my family. People quit GM, to go work somewhere else for better pay. You are living in a dream world if you think GM, always paid the highest wages. A lot of non-union companies paid more to keep the union out thus there workers were living on the coat tails of the UAW workers just like the Toyota workers are doing now. Not even ONE percent of the Michigan population are in the UAW. The rest are scrambling to make a living. CA is in much the same situation. I blame it on high taxes and regulation. You blame it on globalism. I just disagree with you. Yeah we disagree on the root cause. Hey you can't be right all the time gagrice. Even I'm not. However this time is one of those times I am. -Rocky |
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Replying to: fintail (Apr 19, 2009 6:57 pm) -Rocky |
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 19, 2009 5:51 am)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Apr 19, 2009 6:06 pm) A lot of people want to come here, but usually from corrupt third world hellholes or those who fear a bad future in Europe due to the postwar mismanagement. Doesn't say much. The rich won't leave the poor alone, they will squeeze the turnips until there is nothing left. Who benefits from the mass exodus of living wage jobs? And who pays for it? The gap is at its greatest point since before the depression. This is just going to get worse. The Belle Epoque was not a time of justice. Sadly neither political party makes any inroads to that smaller government ideal. I agree the public servants at every level need to be trimmed...but who will do this? It might take more than simple elections...but the globalists will have the masses under perpetual surveillance by then, so it might be tough to pull off. Just as the pro and anti union ideal is a pendulum, so is big and small government...but this time the controllers seek to break the pendulum as the Orwellian ideal becomes reality. Corporate interests are no more trustworthy than socialist government interests.
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