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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 19, 2009 1:25 am) This deserves a response. My question is WHAT HAS THE UAW DONE FOR THE POOR? Have they made life better for those in the ghettos of Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans or Killadelphia? Or are they like Oprah and Obama? They want to take care of the poor with OPM (other people's money). Raising the wages for a few of the workers only make it more expensive of those on the bottom. And from my perspective we have as many on the bottom today as we did when I was a kid. I don't believe for a minute that the UAW has helped the poor no matter what their race may be. You can try to make it a racial issue it just does not fly with me. I was raised in black churches from the time I was about 8 years old. I have dated black girls when I was a teen. Some were as poor as us, some were not. Socialism only pushes the poor out of sight and takes their incentive to get out of the ghetto. Some day the reality will hit you. Those UAW workers in your family were at the TOP of the heap. The poor DID NOT benefit one iota as a result of the UAW workers making top tier wages. You really need to make that trip to Norway to learn the facts about living in a society where they tax the workers to death and the King rides around in luxury. If you want to drive in Norway you need to own the bank. Gas is the highest of any place on earth. Better get in shape as they will only let the janitors ride a bike. If they would even allow you to work there. I am very doubtful your blood lines will get you into that closed society. They have less than half the population of Michigan in the whole country.
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Replying to: chetj (Apr 18, 2009 8:57 pm) Unfortunately most of what you say is true. So we can moan about it or we can figure out the best path forward. History is not going to stay where it was forever. There will always be change. Hopefully we can pick smart choices. |
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 19, 2009 12:04 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 19, 2009 1:25 am) Fighting for your rights is not a problem. But believing that everybody is equal is!!! Fight. Win. and Survive. That is the rule of nature. |
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 19, 2009 1:25 am) Hmmm... I am an Aryan, and bow my head to the Swastika everyday. Draw your own conclusions. I am pretty sure folks who think US is the world will rile up against me and try to ban me from this site. My argument is that learn world history before you even think of doing that. Anyways, back to UAW, working class and equal rights. It is always a fight. Workers will fight with owners and vice versa to prove who is superior. I like that. But to come up with equality bs is just that...BS.
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 19, 2009 12:01 am) Free marketeers are the employers...EVERYTHING you have. EVERYTHING generated a profit for someone. From the fork in a drawer to the car in your driveway. Government creates nothing..They take money from people who generate income starting businesses and hiring employees. EVERY time you get a check from ANYONE you are participating in "trickle down economics" . Poor people don't employ rich people. Next time you are in a resturant...thank the server for great service then tell them you are going to give his tip to the unemployed pan handler on the street.....There's your Socialist society. I did exactly this to prove a point to a server wearing an Obama button.....I think she "got it" A government that takes from the productive to give to the unproductive will run out of productive people to take from.... I know this if the government takes more of my money...they will cause the letting go of one of my employees...I WON"T take a cut in pay. I will just let go of an employee...or raise prices to cover the added expense. Either way I'm not going to earn any less. I am the one who paid to send myself through school and joined the service to get the GI BIll. I am the one who lived in an apartment for 25 years trying to get my business off the ground. I finally have achieved success and even put my homes up as collateral to expand my business. Hired more employees and at 49 years old I make a good living and have taken care of my own retirement. No one will tell me how much my employees should make. They earn what they will work for and according to how VALUABLE they are individually. The same job could pay from $8 to $15 an hour. Favorites? YOU BET! The favorites are those who increase the business profit and generate more productivity. Those who don't get raises eventually quit. This ENSURES a highly productive workforce. Catch a clue.........
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 17, 2009 8:20 pm) Geeze, no wonder you guys struck in '68 |
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Apr 18, 2009 7:43 pm) And how many titles??? How many playoff series??? George Karl has never won ANYTHING, because it's tough to coach with both hands around your THROAT!! BTW, as great as Payton was (he did play for the Celts a few years back, and was a great leader on that team) you can't steal what you can't find. Cousy was a magician with the ball. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 19, 2009 4:47 am) |
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Replying to: flip77 (Apr 19, 2009 9:31 am) That story of letting go an employee and living in an apartment etc reminds me of a partisan email rant I have seen circulated around. Very similar... And please everyone, the whiny Obama rhetoric is no better than the endless rhetoric given to the Dubya regime back in the day. You can't play the high card if you don't behave in a better manner. I still see absolutely no alternative solution given by the opposition, either now or during the election. Might be a lesson learned there.... Or maybe just admit that the powers that be make it so no matter who you choose, you lose. What is the neocon/donkey solution to the ailments of today? Can you answer this? Maybe it's time for the neocons to put up or shut up... |
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