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Replying to: chetj (Apr 18, 2009 8:39 pm) For those that think GM going under will be devastating, they ain't seen nothing yet. Before this Congress and administration are through with the America we will be totally devastated. Cap n Trade, CO2 emissions, no more coal, Card Check are all buzz words used in the campaign. They are ALL detrimental to manufacturing in the USA. The leaders of the developing countries, mainly China and India have already said they will not do anything that slows down their economies. Some industries are just not going to be lily white clean. Much of them are in the Midwest, so they will be so over burdened with CO2 fines that they will have no choice but leave the country. It will UAW wages seem insignificant. California politicians like Waxman are leading this charge. The CA do gooder pol have already blocked most new industry in the state. Expect in on a National level over the next decade.
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Replying to: chetj (Apr 18, 2009 8:57 pm) Actually Japan is in much worse shape from debt than the USA. As far as the Bulls, they are not nearly as great as the Celtics that won 8 straight and 17 total. Even the lousy Lakers have 8 more titles than the splash in the pan Bulls. MJ was probably one of the very best. I liked Bill Russell as all around best player. His team won 11 NBA titles. No other team even close.
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 18, 2009 11:15 pm) I didn't want to pass certain parts but was ordered by my supervisor to "Ship It" even though the parts were borderline bad. Do you have any credible source that the UAW EVER went on strike for better QC standards? From where I sit all of the strikes were greed based. More, more, more money and benefits.
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 18, 2009 11:22 pm) What percentage of their pay did the old timers get cut? I cannot find where they lost a penny in wages. How much are the retirees now paying for gold plated health care? You do realize your dream of health care for all will not be even close to the plan the retirees are now getting. No dental or eyecare is in the plan. Being on Medicare as the plan will emulate does not help when you go to the dentist. My wife and I just paid $302 to have our teeth cleaned. Heck we need pet health care. A trip to the vet for our cat was $255. And he is healthy. He was not eating and the vet said give him the cheap Friskies canned food and that worked. Back to your la la land beliefs on GM and the economy. You have NEVER addressed WHY GM was losing $BILLIONS when the economy was booming from 2004-2007. All Wagoner years in control. Don't give me fair trade or currency manipulation. That just does not fly. They could not sell their crap cars at way below the competition with employee pricing and tons of cash on the hood. Why was Wagoner building crap cars from the time he took over till he was pushed out. 2 or 3 winners out of 30+ models is not a good reference for Wagoner to put on his CEO resume'.
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"This country needs some socialism as it's the best form of government. Maybe I will run for president under the socialist party that way I can redistribute Marsha7's and Gagrices wealth"...you don't have to worry, your Commie President Obama will do it for you... Maybe Beth has been wearing turtle neck sweaters...that is NOT the way to better sales... This country grew over the last 2 hundred years by being as capitalistic as possible...your desire for more and more socialism is simply a flaw in the mind... In capitalism, there will be winners and losers...and the losers always say it isn't fair, but they never realize that the winners move us forward...Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Henry Ford, could they have thrived in a socialistic environment like Russia, (Norway, as you put it)???...I don't think so... The very fact that there are winners means that there will be losers...but losers in our form of capitalism still means that jobs will be had for the masses from the business, not from government 5-year plans...we are in a changing environment and I am of the thought that the gov't should step back and let capitalism and the market do what it will, rather than step in and control it... More and more critical readings about FDR and the Depression say that FDR and his interventionism only prolonged the Depression and that WWII got us out of it...while we will never know the actual truth of the matter, it does make one wonder if FDR did nothing, would we have come out of it much sooner...after all, we had depressions in the century before FDR, and there was no gov't interference, and we never read about those, simply because they were nothing to be concerned with...I always wonder if the "Great Depression" would have been so "great" if FDR sat back and let market forces simply do what they do... And now you want even more socialism...I cannot respect that thought process...if Norway is so good, why don't you simply go there???...I am sure they can train you in some useful job...
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 18, 2009 11:40 pm) You have to do better than that. There are dozens of options to Oslo from MI every day. All under a $grand. Funny your cousins moved to Canada, mine moved out of Toronto and now live in Branson, MO. They were so happy when they got their US citizenship. They want NO PART or a government sponsored health care plan. They been there and done that. The high taxes far out weighed the benefits in Canada. I was brought up in a very realistic world where good paying jobs in manufacturing were plentiful. Just like the days of the buggy builders. Reality has changed. The dirty industry jobs in the USA are gone NEVER to return. And companies were bailing out of the Midwest in the 1960s for many and various reasons. The poor workforce being the leading cause. They found they could get the same level of unskilled labor in the South or out of the country as they could in the Midwest. By the way they started leaving PA long before they did the Midwest. Unfortunately you are only able to see one side of the coin.
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Replying to: marsha7 (Apr 19, 2009 5:38 am) That's what I keep thinking about the current recession. The recession was progressing through its steps before the government started intervening in what may prove to be the wrong ways by using it as an excuse to throw extra money into all kinds of pet, useless, projects. > let capitalism and the market do what it will, Did lack of control of greed and corruption (my opinion) in the funny paper markets go too far in capitalism? Did the ability of the hedge funds to sell down the very market from which they benefited by the sell down to lower prices make the recession worse? I believe yes because it has caused the people to feel even more financially at risk so they are not spending or investing. |
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 18, 2009 11:56 pm) If you think that statement is correct you have been LIED to. The overall unemployment was higher than Michigan is today. Somewhere around 13% for the WHOLE country. Not just your little world. The newbies had the choice to take the job or not. So you are in favor of a two tiered wage scale. You need to make up your mind if you really believe in Unions being for equality in the workplace. Rick Wagoner is one of the smartest human beings to ever walk this earth. You do have some strange Heros. Wagoner, Hoffa, Reuther and Hitler.
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 19, 2009 12:01 am) You really need to study our history. We are a Socialist state and have been moving that direction since LBJ was President. Most of our economic problems today are caused by the idea that we should take care of everyone. Even those capable yet unwilling to work. It is a disaster in the making. Giving everyone that wanted a home a loan was the straw that broke the camels back. You cannot blame that on globalism or unfair trade. It was Socialism meets Capitalism and together they made a mess of our economy.
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It works great in Norway!!!! I believe in Capitalism if it's done like Norway Move there. You can get a round trip ticket for $781 on several airlines. I don't think they would take you. You want a King, I think we have one here. this is america and at one time we had morals and paid people a fair wage and benefits. I can tell you that in the 1950s, 60s & 70s that a larger percentage of the population were working for minimum wage than now. It was $1.25 when I first started working for someone else in 1957 at 14 years or age. Slave labor, that was me and thankful for the job. Benefits, what were benefits. You are still living in the dream world that was the Midwest. Though I believe if you were allowed to think for yourself as a child you would have been able to see all those NOT in the UAW were far less paid. Not even ONE percent of the Michigan population are in the UAW. The rest are scrambling to make a living. CA is in much the same situation. I blame it on high taxes and regulation. You blame it on globalism. I just disagree with you.
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