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Re: Out of Line Wayyyy [flip77] by rockylee
Apr 14, 2009 (9:44 pm)
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Replying to: flip77 (Apr 13, 2009 6:56 pm)

You keep drinking that Kool-Aid flip77. I know you will have lots of people who will agree with you on this forum but the reality is if there was no UAW threat you guys would be making not $30 an/hr. but more like $12-$15 and in this horrible economy Toyota, would have thousands of applicants waiting for those jobs to become open. I think someday that reality will sit in with you. I've worked mostly non-union jobs in my life and there is a difference of respect. In a non-union shop your opinion can be voiced but it might cost you your job. In a union shop you can voice your opinion to get something done and you have the support of your union backing you if management doesn't like what you have to say. Unless you have a fantastic brown nosing type relationship with your boss you are powerless to make change.
 
I'm not trying to be negative with my tone but am speaking from experience. I was shown the door for giving my opinion a few weeks ago with no recourse.
 
-Rocky
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Re: REcalls [imidazol97] by tlong
Apr 14, 2009 (9:50 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 14, 2009 5:53 pm)

I guess I just haven't lived right. I had a 3800 with 150K on it and didn't notice any atypical leak. I have one with 165K on it and don't have a leak.
  
I guess it is not. It's a cleaner motor than the Toyota motors a neighbor who curbstones gets. He had one 4-cyl that was a blown head gasket and 10 years old. Bought it from the owner who didn't seem to know they blow heads. That junk doesn't last. Neighbor does have a cleaner motor now but that's because the 4-runner had a blown motor. So the replacement motor is cleaner. I told him it probably blew because of sludge. Those junk things just don't last no matter how the Toyfans try to spread their propaganda.
  
I've got a 3800 with 90K and don't have any leakage around the valve covers. The UAW does a good job with quality parts. If the leaks are a problem it's the fault of the suppliers providing the gaskets that were used. AT least GM does recalls instead of hiding problems as TSBs or telling people they're supposed to run that way!!!

 
Let's say you are completely correct. The J3 engines are "junk things". The GM cars and engines are great. Given that the public perception is very anti-GM and the UAW is in serious trouble given the current situation, what should the UAW do? Is it important for them to have some positive perception outside their own group, or does that not matter? Do you think UAW sympathizers saying that people who try to feed their families who aren't union could be "floating down the river" is something that is going to help? Is our perception that the UAW is a bunch of thugs with high costs and low value incorrect?
 
Because even if you are correct, the market has spoken and GM is never going to be what it was. Hopefully it will become smaller but much better.
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Re: rocky... [chetj] by rockylee
Apr 14, 2009 (10:02 pm)
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Replying to: chetj (Apr 13, 2009 9:41 pm)

Go watch those playoffs a few times and you will see the refs give MJ every call. Now it's Kobe, who gets em' all. I think out of all the major professional sports that basketball is more like the WWE (WWF) then any other sport. They show his (MJ) famous shot quite a bit....Ya know the one where he pushed Bryon Russell off of him and hit the game winning jumper. Remember that also was in the era where the refs bet on the games more often than Pete Rose. MJ was a good basketball player but because he had a huge contract with the slave labor company Nike and could dunk the basketball a half foot in front of the free-throw line well they needed a hero that was bigger than life because the NBA was on a down hill slope. I think Magic Johnson was a very good basketball player but not as good as Stockton. Both Stockton and Malone were tough, sometimes dirty, smart players. There accomplishments speak for themselves. Yeah they didn't win a ring but they didn't have that superstar 3rd player like the Bulls. Remember Pippen was arguably the best defensive player to ever play. Why do you think Phil Jackson put him on Stockton????
 
Back on Topic:
 
Bankruptcy looms over auto talks
 
http://www.detnews.com/article/20090415/AUTO01/904150367/1148/rss25
 
Commentary: Politics rule General Motors run to bankruptcy
 
http://www.detnews.com/article/20090414/OPINION03/904140326/1022/rss10
 
Chrysler sets April 27 deadline on buyout offer
 
http://www.freep.com/article/20090413/BUSINESS01/90413051/-1/rss07
 
 
 
-Rocky
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Re: Out of Line Wayyyy [dieselone] by rockylee
Apr 14, 2009 (10:26 pm)
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Replying to: dieselone (Apr 14, 2009 6:33 pm)

Thanks dieselone for pointing that out because I was going Hmmmmm. I don't remember writing that!
 
-Rocky
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Re: Bingo... [tlong] by rockylee
Apr 14, 2009 (10:29 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Apr 14, 2009 9:37 pm)

With all my buttons you've pushed here lately I thought I'd get ya back!!!
 
-Rocky
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Re: REcalls [tlong] by rockylee
Apr 14, 2009 (10:41 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Apr 14, 2009 9:50 pm)

Do you think UAW sympathizers saying that people who try to feed their families who aren't union could be "floating down the river" is something that is going to help?
 
I never said that UAW members would do that but in some parts of the country that has happened and over in Europe it has and would still happen. In most 1st world countries where workers have "rights" unlike here in this anti-labor/worker enviroment it is illegal to cross picket lines. I know the neocon globalist want you to believe the capitalist have your best interests for you and your family at heart but the reality "proof in the pudding" tells a different story.
 
I know Marsha7, thinks I'm a brain dead Yankee because I care about working people. I know he thinks I'm stupid because I care about my countries national security being sold down the river so some fat cat can make another buck. However I know I'm one of the few but very proud americans that cares about the future of this country. You can call the UAW workers all kinds of names and run them through the mud all you want but at the end of the day those folks are among this countries most patriotic citizens and instead of cutting down their neighbor like many of you enjoy doing they want to build them up. They want us to live the american dream and our nation to prosper. They are tired of the double standard for the elites and the serfs.
 
Maybe someday when it's too late many of you will realize that this "Brave New World" you support was a mistake.
 
-Rocky
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Re: Bingo... [rockylee] by tlong
Apr 14, 2009 (10:42 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 14, 2009 10:29 pm)

With all my buttons you've pushed here lately I thought I'd get ya back!!!
 
I guess I deserved that!!! Now when can I drive up to MI and buy a Genesis from you?!
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Re: It was none other than... [iluvmysephia1] by chetj
Apr 14, 2009 (10:54 pm)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Apr 14, 2009 7:03 pm)

the last stealer sb was almost as bad with crooked refs...i know someone from seattle who was pretty ripped about seahawk loss...i dont think the hawks played that great, but they easily couldve won..the nfl likes dan rooney
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Re: Bingo... [tlong] by rockylee
Apr 14, 2009 (10:56 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Apr 14, 2009 10:42 pm)

tlong,
 
They still haven't made a decision. I called the HR lady this afternoon and instead of her telling me you weren't picked like I thought I was going to hear well they are still in the decision process. She apologized for it taking so long. I told her I'm just glad I'm still in the running. My ex g/f and I are trying to improve my resume and make it more professional thus I spent the day working on that and applying for a few more jobs. I spoke with Beth again this evening and she says dealer traffic has been very slow this month which is depressing for her. I personally think people are waiting to see how this BK thing is going to play out. I turned down my old bosses offer to sell security systems door 2 door thus he isn't happy with me cause I didn't take the job. The commission was good if you sold enough of them but it was a pyramid scheme. I did door 2 door sales last summer for 3 months selling AT&T U-verse when I saw the writing on the wall at the Chevy dealership I worked at with Beth. I had all sorts of problems getting paid and I lost a few thousand bucks in commissions on pending deals because of AT&T and when they finally went through I never got paid on them. This was despite I resolving many of there customer service issues myself. That was my thank-you. They also cut our commission structure by 30% and it wasn't paying the bills anymore. I believe AT&T U-verse (cable) is a helluva a lot easier sale than a Security System. I think even my opposition on most issues can agree with me on that.
 
-Rocky
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Re: Bingo... [tlong] by rockylee
Apr 14, 2009 (11:01 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Apr 14, 2009 10:42 pm)

Would you want the Sedan or the Coupe???
 
-Rocky

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