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tlong: " It took a couple of decades to lose the trust and even a few Malibus or CTS's (ignoring the poor reliability of the CTS) won't restore the trust. It's going to take a long time."...that is why, when UAW lovers tell me how "out of date" the 70s and 80s are, I must disagree...the junk started in the 70s and 80s, and, IF IT ENDED, then it WOULD be ancient history to be ignored...but it continued into the 90s and beyond, and THAT is the "decades of lost trust" that are haunting them now...telling a family man who maybe bought 3 or 4 clunkers between the 80s and now, that he should "forget those bad years, we are different now" is not sufficient, not when you have the far better improved imports (not perfect, but better) to compare them to...the UAW hasn't changed, it has become worse, and even the ignorant public is catching on, now, with the information revealed thru the bailouts... lemko: as I have said before, your love for your well-built GM cars is great, but, like it or not, ten thousand posts from you will not change the fact that YOUR experience, if not unique, is totally insufficient to convince those millions of buyers who have deserted the Big 3 forever...they did NOT buy cars like yours, because if they had, Honda and Toy would be unknown brands today...you lucked out with cream puffs, but don't think for a minute that the entire nation agrees with you...lots do, because Big 3 still sell millions of cars, but lots don't, because Big 3 has lost multiple millions of sales, and the most likely culprit is poor vehicle quality, fit and finish, and that goes back the the source, the overpaid, unskilled, UAW worker who cannot figure out how to tighten his bolts properly..."skilled"...yeah, right... rocky, the recent books I read about the auto industry, heavily footnoted and referenced, discusses how a few Big 3 engineers saw the quality differences between Japanese and Big 3 over 25 years ago, but the automakers chose to ignore it...it is well documented, so it isn't reading the Enquirer where I get my references, it is documented sources...plus, owning 4 Hondas gives me ample experience and knowledge to tell you that the Japanese make a better car...you, OTOH, have only a UAW biased background, and all they ever told you was that they make the best cars, but if ANYBODY is unqualified and ignorant about product, it would be your UAW family and the entire membership, as they only know what they make, and have no idea at all how well the imports are made...it would be YOUR narrow-view experience in the auto world, knowing only UAW cars, that you would be so unknowledgaeable about how well the imports are constructed...try reading some legitimate critiques of the American auto industry, other than the monthly UAW bulletin, which probably still tells you that GM's market share is growing, and the UAW membership is growing, all thanks to the buyers lined up to buy UAW products...yeah, right...your family sold us crap for years, and someday they will actually get drunk enough to drop the facade and admit it to the world... If the rest of the world bought the cream puffs like lemko, it might be different...but lemko telling us about his vehicles has not stopped one buyer from defecting to Honda, simply because no one believes that THEIR UAW car will be like his, and they have decades of junk to support that view... |
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Replying to: lemko (Apr 14, 2009 4:44 pm) Lots of good UAW made choices that year. |
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Replying to: lemko (Apr 14, 2009 4:49 pm) Trust me they are out there. A friend of mine's MIL had an 02 LeSabre burn up and took the garage with it. I believe it was a known manifold issue that caused the fire. car fires
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I guess I just haven't lived right. I had a 3800 with 150K on it and didn't notice any atypical leak. I have one with 165K on it and don't have a leak. I guess it is not. It's a cleaner motor than the Toyota motors a neighbor who curbstones gets. He had one 4-cyl that was a blown head gasket and 10 years old. Bought it from the owner who didn't seem to know they blow heads. That junk doesn't last. Neighbor does have a cleaner motor now but that's because the 4-runner had a blown motor. So the replacement motor is cleaner. I told him it probably blew because of sludge. Those junk things just don't last no matter how the Toyfans try to spread their propaganda. I've got a 3800 with 90K and don't have any leakage around the valve covers. The UAW does a good job with quality parts. If the leaks are a problem it's the fault of the suppliers providing the gaskets that were used. AT least GM does recalls instead of hiding problems as TSBs or telling people they're supposed to run that way!!!
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Replying to: lemko (Apr 14, 2009 4:49 pm) Sorry, but I respectfully disagree. My 2000 Suburban would change your mind, unless you think $4,000 in repairs from 46k-65k miles is normal. Plus the number of people I know that have had multiple trans failures with their 1/2 ton GM products rivals that of the infamous Chrysler transmissions of the late 80's. 2000 must have been a bad year, 'cause my dad inherited a 2000 Park Ave. from my Grandpa that was a complete POS too. Electrical problems, intake manifold failure, head gasket, oil leaks, all well before 100k miles. Now that was 10 years ago, but I do have an 07 Grand Prix in the garage that while reliable is still a POS. It rattles, it looks and feels cheap, drives worse, and IMO represents all that has been wrong with GM. |
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 14, 2009 5:53 pm) |
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Replying to: lemko (Apr 14, 2009 4:32 pm) yeah, I'd think you'd have to have a very hot manifold and a lot of oil spill on it to catch fire. They must have a good reason for the recall, as recalling 1.4 million vehicles is not small potatoes.
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 14, 2009 2:49 pm) Agreed. Most unions will do that and that is called being a gangster, not a worker. This is probably the biggest reason I hate the labor unions. They simply go for the kill if you cross them. >The company owner would of never paid the rent or mortgage without the people under he/she. It's called a balance of power. Own a business first Rocky and then talk about balance of power.....It is not easy to be a business owner. Machining a job to 10 microns might be easier.
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 14, 2009 3:03 pm) Hmmm... >The Acura TL was indeed a good car. You had to keep her reved up to have any sort of power but it was a good car and fun to drive. more Hmmmmmm... Does somebody over here feel Rocky somehow is lacking the information that Acura is Honda?
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