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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 14, 2009 3:22 pm)
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true, let's think here, let's not strike and keep our jobs and whatever high wage we already make, when our Company is losing sales and revenue, or strike GM and make them bleed further. The business model for a Union is not on hallowed ground as a "yes" come hell or high water. There are other, actually more crisp and stately methods to make a living. The fact that there is no way to distinguish yourself from all the other unionites is pitiful, too. Thing is, at Boeing, there's always some set of raspberry jelly donut eating, Starbuck's swilling, neanderthals that are willing to can your ass and put somebody there who will take half your pay to "do the same work." In my group Boeing kept the two 767 Technical Illustrator-Eng. leads to "oversee" this group's efforts to do our work. While my wife and I were tooling along in our '01 Kia Sportage 4X4 with our willing-to-tote life's belongings heading to mid-Missouri's Ozark region the people left behind at Boeing must've been going nuts. Like rockford always says regarding GM-UAW work, "you can't just learn it in a couple a days." Well, guess what, those people probably gave it their best try to do that illustration work accurately, but it is my certainty that the amount of rework required and the baby-sitting my ex-lead had to do would've curdled our collective stomach's. Back when I started, In late Oct. of '79, we started a 6-month training program, to at least get us in the Boeing Illustration way of business thinking. Then we were sent where we were needed the most. Have fun, good fortune trying to satisfy the Boeing Executive god's who rule your futures. Conservative only starts to describe them. Off-their-overpaid-rocker's does them much more justice. I love it when people that just sit around and BS all day, eat donuts and gossip about people have the authority to just off-load someone's work statement for cheaper workers. Boeing has no work ethic, no loyalty to their workers. Here's a quick, sucker-punch for ya, morons. If Airbus didn't make just as many boo-fu's as Boeing they would still be eating their lunch. If Boeing's Everett Widebody Jetliner Division just slid off of the Mukilteo bluffs (one muddy, rainy NW delightful day) in to Puget Sound and all the stupid high-fulitin' think-too-much of theirselves management had to wrestle with some large octupii on the bottom of the Sound, I would hardly bat an eyelash of concern here in the hot and sunny desert Southwest. Good riddance, you can have all of your light-in-the-loafers, professional Seattle-sports hating constituency; Christine Gregoire, Governor, who always has something else to do besides get back a world-class NBA Sonic's franchise. They vote for their own to keep things "under control" to their tightly-drummed-shut brains. Fight over your ghastly high taxes and honk the hell outta each other on your overcrowded roads. Yes, since all of you Seattleites already know-it-all, I wish you only the best in your futures. If David Stern would stop taking kickbacks and realize he took away a storied franchise in the Sonics, that it was not done ethically, and that there are a lot of people that realize that Key Arena is just fine for continuing NBA ball there, it would help. And as long as the Pittsburgh Stealers still feel fine about stealing the 2006 Super Bowl from the Seattle Seahawks, fine. And the set of referees who are BTW no longer allowed to ref another Super Bowl, ever, are fine with making no-calls and wrong-calls all game long during that Stealer victory, fine. I mean, what's more important, playing an honest Super Bowl game that year in Detroit, or, making sure that the 'Bus' gets his SB Ring? The guy is stricken with asthma, better artificially "get" him a Ring. And, you banned ref's, you don't wanna turn down all of the Lost Wages incentive money, do you? That Super Bowl 40 remains the most obviously thrown NFL game in NFL history. Mike Holmgren, the Seahawks players and coaches, and all of their many loyal fans knew we had the best team in the NFL that year. But, sadly, greed and corruption was too tempting to not take full advantage of. Pitiful job of Commish-n-ing, yep. |
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Replying to: circlew (Apr 14, 2009 4:42 pm) Blindly defend? First of all, GM does NOT build junk cars! Just saying that is an insult to me as I consistently buy GM cars! I guess you think I'm a prodigal fool who just throws his money away? I can defend GM cars with a Mount Everest of evidence! My 1989 Cadillac Brougham and 1988 Buick Park Avenue are exhibits A and B!!! |
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tlong: " It took a couple of decades to lose the trust and even a few Malibus or CTS's (ignoring the poor reliability of the CTS) won't restore the trust. It's going to take a long time."...that is why, when UAW lovers tell me how "out of date" the 70s and 80s are, I must disagree...the junk started in the 70s and 80s, and, IF IT ENDED, then it WOULD be ancient history to be ignored...but it continued into the 90s and beyond, and THAT is the "decades of lost trust" that are haunting them now...telling a family man who maybe bought 3 or 4 clunkers between the 80s and now, that he should "forget those bad years, we are different now" is not sufficient, not when you have the far better improved imports (not perfect, but better) to compare them to...the UAW hasn't changed, it has become worse, and even the ignorant public is catching on, now, with the information revealed thru the bailouts... lemko: as I have said before, your love for your well-built GM cars is great, but, like it or not, ten thousand posts from you will not change the fact that YOUR experience, if not unique, is totally insufficient to convince those millions of buyers who have deserted the Big 3 forever...they did NOT buy cars like yours, because if they had, Honda and Toy would be unknown brands today...you lucked out with cream puffs, but don't think for a minute that the entire nation agrees with you...lots do, because Big 3 still sell millions of cars, but lots don't, because Big 3 has lost multiple millions of sales, and the most likely culprit is poor vehicle quality, fit and finish, and that goes back the the source, the overpaid, unskilled, UAW worker who cannot figure out how to tighten his bolts properly..."skilled"...yeah, right... rocky, the recent books I read about the auto industry, heavily footnoted and referenced, discusses how a few Big 3 engineers saw the quality differences between Japanese and Big 3 over 25 years ago, but the automakers chose to ignore it...it is well documented, so it isn't reading the Enquirer where I get my references, it is documented sources...plus, owning 4 Hondas gives me ample experience and knowledge to tell you that the Japanese make a better car...you, OTOH, have only a UAW biased background, and all they ever told you was that they make the best cars, but if ANYBODY is unqualified and ignorant about product, it would be your UAW family and the entire membership, as they only know what they make, and have no idea at all how well the imports are made...it would be YOUR narrow-view experience in the auto world, knowing only UAW cars, that you would be so unknowledgaeable about how well the imports are constructed...try reading some legitimate critiques of the American auto industry, other than the monthly UAW bulletin, which probably still tells you that GM's market share is growing, and the UAW membership is growing, all thanks to the buyers lined up to buy UAW products...yeah, right...your family sold us crap for years, and someday they will actually get drunk enough to drop the facade and admit it to the world... If the rest of the world bought the cream puffs like lemko, it might be different...but lemko telling us about his vehicles has not stopped one buyer from defecting to Honda, simply because no one believes that THEIR UAW car will be like his, and they have decades of junk to support that view... |
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Replying to: lemko (Apr 14, 2009 4:44 pm) Lots of good UAW made choices that year. |
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Replying to: lemko (Apr 14, 2009 4:49 pm) Trust me they are out there. A friend of mine's MIL had an 02 LeSabre burn up and took the garage with it. I believe it was a known manifold issue that caused the fire. car fires
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I guess I just haven't lived right. I had a 3800 with 150K on it and didn't notice any atypical leak. I have one with 165K on it and don't have a leak. I guess it is not. It's a cleaner motor than the Toyota motors a neighbor who curbstones gets. He had one 4-cyl that was a blown head gasket and 10 years old. Bought it from the owner who didn't seem to know they blow heads. That junk doesn't last. Neighbor does have a cleaner motor now but that's because the 4-runner had a blown motor. So the replacement motor is cleaner. I told him it probably blew because of sludge. Those junk things just don't last no matter how the Toyfans try to spread their propaganda. I've got a 3800 with 90K and don't have any leakage around the valve covers. The UAW does a good job with quality parts. If the leaks are a problem it's the fault of the suppliers providing the gaskets that were used. AT least GM does recalls instead of hiding problems as TSBs or telling people they're supposed to run that way!!!
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Replying to: lemko (Apr 14, 2009 4:49 pm) Sorry, but I respectfully disagree. My 2000 Suburban would change your mind, unless you think $4,000 in repairs from 46k-65k miles is normal. Plus the number of people I know that have had multiple trans failures with their 1/2 ton GM products rivals that of the infamous Chrysler transmissions of the late 80's. 2000 must have been a bad year, 'cause my dad inherited a 2000 Park Ave. from my Grandpa that was a complete POS too. Electrical problems, intake manifold failure, head gasket, oil leaks, all well before 100k miles. Now that was 10 years ago, but I do have an 07 Grand Prix in the garage that while reliable is still a POS. It rattles, it looks and feels cheap, drives worse, and IMO represents all that has been wrong with GM. |
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