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Replying to: lemko (Apr 10, 2009 5:47 am) I saw the biggest Buick Station Wagon in the WalMart parking lot yesterday. It had to be 2 feet longer than my Sequoia. I thought of you instantly. So you and Rocky have made and impression on me, and not a bad one. 
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Apr 10, 2009 5:58 am) Rocky and Lemko, when was the last time you drove something not made by the UAW? Be specific. 
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| they should make a f450 with a v12 and a triple cab. that might be there bullseye vehicle. it could pass everything on the highway except a gas station:) u know u want one... | |
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Apr 09, 2009 9:09 pm) |
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Apr 10, 2009 5:58 am) Yeah, good luck with that, on the domestic front! About the only domestic choices I can think of would be maybe a Cavalier or Citation and their siblings from GM, maybe a Daytona or Laser from Mopar, and, gulp, a Tempo or Topaz from Ford! So given those choices, I'd say you did quite well with the Prelude!
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 10, 2009 6:04 am)
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Replying to: dieselone (Apr 10, 2009 5:12 am) That's pretty much the crux of the flaw of product development for UAW made products. While Accord, Civic, and Corolla predate my birth.... |
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Apr 10, 2009 5:58 am) Ooops. That brush is awfully big. >Had an OPEN mind, Then that OPEN mind will take a look at more recent products, right? That OPEN mind will look at the real comparison to see how it compares and won't judge it through the lens that attributes of the car I love have to exactly the same in the comparison car or it's JANG. Look at the comparison of JDP and CR. Even CR who makes money off their comparisons admitted that the differences between their red circles and black circles had shrunk in the last many years. Perhaps there was a difference in quality during the 90s. But have you taken your _open_ mind to actually drive a Malibu? And to compare _not_ through the lens of your old car preference? I recall in earlier years that people used to one of the brand groups of cars often didn't like the two competitors because the dashboard layouts were different or the pedal and steering feel were difference. On the other hand someone already driving one of the two competitors felt the same about comparing with the first car I used in this example. Perhaps the motor of one is geared to rev high all the time while the motor of another had more torque and the shifting was done at lower speeds because of the attributes. To extend this to specifics, let's use the Accord example. For years the rant was that GM only had a 4-speed archaic automatic transmission (that breaks very seldom and works beautifully on my 3800s and is very cheap if one were to break, unlike Hondas, the transmissions last long times). Honda had a 5-speed automatic which was the cat's meow according to the proponents (bless their hearts). Now, Malibu, e.g., has a 6-speed available with the 4 cylinder motor and the 6 cylinder motor. Where's Accord? I just checked, they're offering their expensive to fix, and replace often as maintenance items 5 speed models. Hehe. They need to get with the times. But maybe all those warranty replacements for failures way below 100 K miles makes it expensive to upgrade. And those replacements people are paying for are $4000 and more even with Honda supposedly "helping" with labor and replacing with a rebuilt... I sat in Accords a year ago in the winter and the Accords I saw in the showroom were not nice. The plastic was hard and the seats were harder with the effect of being plastic chairs in a waiting room with a little cushion layer over the top. Perhaps the higher models get better seats, but why? when people buy Accords because they used to be inexpensive and people buy the lower-priced models. Now I read about the VCM problems in Honda's great manufacturing. I read about their early wear on rear brakes. I can scan pages here on Edmunds and cite problems for you, but I'll let you do some of that research keeping and _open_ mind. Same for the Toyota line.
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