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#20632 of 20641 Re: How's that Global Economy Workin' Out for Ya? [gagrice]
Nov 26, 2013 (1:08 pm)
So you can try and blame it on businesses that hire Illegals, but it is the state and Feds that are the real culprits
I agree with you on this one. It should not be the role of businesses to enforce our immigration laws.
#20633 of 20641 Re: How's that Global Economy Workin' Out for Ya? [gagrice]
Nov 26, 2013 (1:14 pm)
Trying to survive? Often by employing those they full well know are illegal, often under the table, for sub-miniumum wages? Oh, those poor bootstrapper businessmen. They shouldn't have to answer to anything. Not doing due diligence isn't enforcing immigration laws as much as it is being careful. Like buying a car without a title.
It's still pretty impossible to make a passable fake of a SS card or equivalent.
The last part is all part of a scheme to buy votes and maybe keep money flowing into social security.
#20635 of 20641 Re: How's that Global Economy Workin' Out for Ya? [fintail]
Nov 26, 2013 (1:30 pm)
I can't remember the last time I had to use my SS card for anything. Not even sure I can find it. And as to how impossible it is to make a fake SS card, driver's license, or other form of accepted proof of identity, I guess that comes down to how close someones looks and whether they know the right things to look for.
#20636 of 20641 Re: How's that Global Economy Workin' Out for Ya? [srs_49]
Nov 26, 2013 (4:10 pm)
A SS card is not considered a form of ID. No picture or date of birth on it. The number is needed for sending in withholding. Take a look at this:
It is illegal to discriminate against any work-authorized individual in hiring, discharge, recruitment or referral for a fee, or in the employment eligibility verification (Form I-9 and E-Verify) process based on that individual's citizenship status, immigration status or national origin. Employers CANNOT specify which document(s) they will accept from an employee. The refusal to hire an individual because the documentation presented has a future expiration date may also constitute illegal discrimination.
Looks to me like an employer could get in trouble for being an immigration cop in his hiring practices.
#20637 of 20641 Re: How's that Global Economy Workin' Out for Ya? [gagrice]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Nov 26, 2013 (4:13 pm)
Oh please. These businesses know full well they are hiring illegals...c'mon! It's very easy to check them out.
I don't blame businesses for hiring them. They worker harder than most minimum wage citizens would, and probably harder than most union workers.
DEPORTATION? Who exactly will finance the *largest forced deportation in the recorded history of mankind?*
You really wanna pay for that.
#20638 of 20641 Re: How's that Global Economy Workin' Out for Ya? [MrShift@Edmunds]
Nov 26, 2013 (4:13 pm)
I agree if a person hires an illegal to mow their lawn for cash they should be hung in the town square. How about the municipality that needs a gardener and is NOT allowed by CA state law to use E-Verify. The illegal may have a state issued Driver's license. Or the Contractor that hires a sub contractor that has a valid contractor's license. Is he supposed to make sure all the people on the job are here legally.
#20639 of 20641 Re: How's that Global Economy Workin' Out for Ya? [MrShift@Edmunds]
Nov 26, 2013 (4:22 pm)
I want the Feds to prosecute the states that give out driver's licenses to illegals. I want the IRS to quit issuing ITIN cards to illegals that are stealing money from the legitimate tax payers. If states like CA were not pandering to illegal workers they would not have to be deported. They would leave like they did in Georgia.
Here we should explain that the IRS routinely seeks to collect both federal income taxes and federal payroll taxes from illegal immigrants, who are required to pay regardless of their immigration status. Because such workers donít qualify for a valid Social Security number, the IRS issues a nine-digit Individual Taxpayer Identification Number. An ITIN doesnít authorize the user to work legally in the U.S., and doesnít entitle him or her to Social Security benefits.
#20640 of 20641 Re: How's that Global Economy Workin' Out for Ya? [srs_49]
Nov 26, 2013 (4:24 pm)
This isn't about identity, it is about being a legal worker.
Maybe for once, the employer should take some responsibility for more than buying a bigger house or a fancy SUV for the wife, and learn or train his employees how to decipher documents. Have some skin in the game.
Kind of a funny line of thought - someone isn't enforcing laws, so I don't have to worry about abiding by them either, just plead ignorance. But when in an oligocracy and you have money...
#20641 of 20641 Re: How's that Global Economy Workin' Out for Ya? [gagrice]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Nov 26, 2013 (5:11 pm)
incorrect on that one. California banned the *mandating* of E-verify by cities requiring businesses to use it IF they want to do business with the city. That was a good call BTW.
Businesses can use it on their own if they wish.
Hiring illegals is 100% the fault of the businesses who hire them. End of story there.
When the recession hit hard, many illegals went back to their home. It's all about the money. Illegals don't risk their lives coming here so that they can bathe in America's glory. Same with the UAW--they don't do that work because they just love the assembly line.
On one point I think we agree---that Mexico points the way to what happens when the middle class is wiped out.