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#303 of 333 Re: Did anyone see the CR test of the 4 major full-size players [1offroader] by gotoyota Oct 10, 2007 (5:42 am)
Replying to: 1offroader (Oct 08, 2007 5:41 pm) Ridiculous? Really? Why? Would you like your stockbroker working for the company whose stock he is touting? How about your doctor prescribing you meds you may not need, while he's getting a big fat check from the pharma company? How about your lawyer working both sides of a lawsuit, without telling you? Is that OK too? OF COURSE we have biases, that's fine, and it's what makes the posts interesting and informative. But when someone is BEING PAID by the company whose product he/she is promoting, that's a whole different ballgame IMO. It's an entirely different dimension. It's so important, in fact, that there are LAWS against it in almost all areas of the economy. It's called "conflict of interest" and it's against the law in most areas of business. You seem to think it's OK, but it's not OK with me, and I will question anyone's opinion who may who may be motivated by money. Geeeez, dude. You are really taking this seriously. We're not talking about insider trading here - let's stick with reality. Why should I care if someone sells Toyotas or Fords or whatever? It doesn't put them in any better position than you or I to win a debate about whose truck is best if we are being objective. What is your motivation for saying so many negative things about the Tundra? No one is inferring that you or anyone else stand to profit from your posts. To take the position that everyone must take some lame oath that they are not a car salesman or in a position to profit from the success of a car company is completely ridiculous and totally disconnected with reality. I really don't care if you own stock in GM or if you sell GM's for a living. In the end, the reality is that the products speak for themselves. Replies to this message: 12ozcurls (Oct 10, 2007 3:26 pm)
#304 of 333 Re: I think not [anythingbuttoy] by kdhspyder Oct 10, 2007 (3:02 pm)
Replying to: anythingbuttoy (Oct 09, 2007 2:55 pm) We've gone back and forth on this several times on different sites so here's the valid summary: Both trucks are top of the line right now. Each has different characteristics that put it at the top of the list depending on what you want the truck to do. The GMT900s have a generally larger payload capacity; The Tundras has higher towing capacity than all the 5.3L GMs The Tundra and the 6.0L GMs have approximately equal towing capability. The Tundra has lower EPA ratings than the 5.3L but slightly higher ratings than the 6.0L. The Tundra has all the safety equipment standard in all models. The GMT900s have all the safety equipment standard only on some models and not available at all on other models. ( Yes Ma'am you did hear that correctly.' ) The Tundra is the ONLY truck on the market with a 6 spd tranny and a 4.30 rear end. That helps in towing, in acceleration and in fuel economy vs all the other 5 vehicles. The Tundra has both the highest high gear and the lowest low gear. The IIHS, the Insurance Industry's testing arm, has given the Tundra its top rating in a frontal crash and top rating overall. .........Aside: this is a marketing gaffe on GM's part IIHS Large Pickup rankings The GM trucks are well known for their durability just as the Toyatas are know for their quality, dependability and reliability. Each is a good choice in this regard. The Turning radius of the Tundra is smaller than all the others on the market making it more manueverable in tight spots. These generalities apply to all models. Replies to this message: drfill (Oct 10, 2007 3:59 pm)
#305 of 333 Re: Did anyone see the CR test of the 4 major full-size players [gotoyota] by 12ozcurls Oct 10, 2007 (3:26 pm)
Replying to: gotoyota (Oct 10, 2007 5:42 am) alright come on guys this is gettin boring with u guys always arguing. you guys sound like school girls fighting over a boy... come on now..
#306 of 333 Re: I think not [kdhspyder] by drfill Oct 10, 2007 (3:59 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Oct 10, 2007 3:02 pm) You left out the tailgate assist, the bigger doors, the larger interiors (of ALL cabs), and the larger cargo box (biggest in segment). All Toyota advantages. These are just the major advantages. And this website thinks it's better too. DrFill
#307 of 333 Re: Like you'd wise up? [drfill] by 1offroader Oct 10, 2007 (5:49 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Oct 09, 2007 3:36 pm) I know your game, it's old....and lame. The Tundra's superior Until you look at the frame.... And the crash test ratings And the lack of OnStar And the fugly, cheesy interior And the frog-like front end But other than that... 1offroader Replies to this message: anythingbuttoy (Oct 10, 2007 6:04 pm) anythingbuttoy (Oct 11, 2007 5:21 pm) titancrew (Oct 12, 2007 6:45 am) and 7 more...
#308 of 333 Re: Like you'd wise up? [1offroader] by anythingbuttoy Oct 10, 2007 (6:04 pm)
Replying to: 1offroader (Oct 10, 2007 5:49 pm) 1offroader, You forgot: Lack of a locking rear diff. NO rainsense wipers NO heated washer fluid Less warranty Fewer config options Cheap painted plastic interior dash/panels which are already peeling and rubbing off (based on many complaints). 6 spd tranny issues. Bed Bounce (likely due to wimpy frame design) Thinner sheet metal (Dents when leaned against). Crappy ext paint. (Complaints on how easy it is scratched and how thin it is are abundant). Horrible factory remote start, which does not automatically control heat/AC and requires restarting after entry. I am sure I missed some things, I'll update as I think of them, there are so many inferiorities, it's hard to remember them all. Oh, did I mention it's FUGLY!!!??? Replies to this message: anythingbuttoy (Oct 11, 2007 5:21 pm) titancrew (Oct 12, 2007 6:45 am) gotoyota (Oct 12, 2007 7:09 am) and 6 more...