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#242 of 333 Uh.....you're both incorrect by drfill Oct 02, 2007 (2:52 pm)
http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet?target=http://image.emerald.gm.com/gm- - news/viewmonthlyreleasedetail.do?domain=74&docid=40014 GM says they sold 52k in Sept, still down 2% YTD. The 56k includes Avalanche, a seperate model line. The 75k counts the Avalanche and GMC Sierra, a different marque altogether. DrFill Replies to this message: anythingbuttoy (Oct 02, 2007 3:02 pm)
#243 of 333 Re: Uh.....you're both incorrect [drfill] by anythingbuttoy Oct 02, 2007 (3:02 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Oct 02, 2007 2:52 pm) Spin it how you want Doc, the Silvy, Av and Sierra are ALL GM full size trucks. Just because Toyota only offers ONE truck, why should we only count ONE GM model? i.e. Tell me, doc, what truck do you suppose a Sierra buyer would buy if GM only had the Silvy? Any way you spin it though, 19K is still paultry in comparison.
#244 of 333 I may be the Doctor by drfill Oct 02, 2007 (3:23 pm)
But I can't spin like you. Olay! DrFill
#245 of 333 Re: Sept sales and 9 Mo's YTD [anythingbuttoy] by kdhspyder Oct 02, 2007 (4:40 pm)
Replying to: anythingbuttoy (Oct 02, 2007 2:10 pm) Where did you get those screwy figures from? They are not in GM's press release. Now the problem for GM is those figures I posted ( Yes Dr they do include the Avalanche ) also include all the GMT800's ( Classic ) sold since the beginning of the year. This means that the GMT800's last year really kicked the hell out of the brand spanking new GMT900's. What is it about the new models that the buyers don't like? To get the sales of the 'New' Tundra you'd have to deduct Jan 07 sales and at least half of Feb 07 sales to get an accurate estimate. There were a few isolated 'Old' models left in March. This is even more important, in the mid-priced retail buyer segment which is the only small niche Toyota is really competing they may be way ahead of both the Ram and the Sierra and near the two biggies. Choosing the ground on which you want to do battle is often the first step to victory. It's also the most lucrative segment so that's the one to win.
#246 of 333 The correct monthly sales... by kcram HOST Oct 02, 2007 (5:06 pm)
...are posted here, every month: Full-size pickup sales - F-150 best selling truck, but for how much longer?? The Avalanche is an SUV and shares very little with the Silverado besides the 4 doors and windshield... it's a Suburban with its rear roof removed. kcram - Pickups Host Replies to this message: anythingbuttoy (Oct 02, 2007 5:17 pm) kdhspyder (Oct 02, 2007 6:08 pm) 1offroader (Oct 02, 2007 7:30 pm) kdhspyder (Oct 02, 2007 9:10 pm)
#247 of 333 Re: The correct monthly sales... [kcram] by anythingbuttoy Oct 02, 2007 (5:17 pm)
Replying to: kcram (Oct 02, 2007 5:06 pm) The Avalanche is just as much Pick-up as it is SUV, it has a BOX!!! And again, if the Av and Sierra buyers did not have these vehicles to choose from, which truck would they have bought? That is why it is more fair/accurate to include these buyers than to not include them. If Toyota offered more than just ONE option in LD trucks, they would most certainly have less Tundra sales as well. Think about it!!!
#248 of 333 Re: The correct monthly sales... [kcram] by kdhspyder Oct 02, 2007 (6:08 pm)
Replying to: kcram (Oct 02, 2007 5:06 pm) GM classifies and reports it as a 'full sized pickup' so just to keep consistent with the published stats I go with the Silvy and Av together.
#249 of 333 One their website, they say it's a seperate model by drfill Oct 02, 2007 (6:56 pm)
So I do as well. Nobody cares what somebody would've, could've, should've bought. There is a reason why they bought one model over another, or over another marque. DrFill
#250 of 333 Re: The correct monthly sales... [kcram] by 1offroader Oct 02, 2007 (7:30 pm)
Replying to: kcram (Oct 02, 2007 5:06 pm) An article in the FoxNews business section says Sept. 2007 Toyota truck sales are down 5.7% from Sept. 2006, and Toyota car sales are down 3.5% from Sept. 2006, which was their best month ever. Ford pickups are down a whopping 21% from last Sept. Any sales comparison of the new Tundra vs. the old Tundra is like saying we sold more raisins this year than we sold cherries last year. Next year's Tundra sales figures will be much more meaningful. However, I think those figures indicate that sales overall of gas guzzling trucks is down. The economy is slowing (witness Fed Chariman Bernanke's recent loosening of the money supply), and gas prices have risen from last year. Well Duh. 1offroader Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Oct 02, 2007 9:10 pm)
#251 of 333 Re: The correct monthly sales... [1offroader] by kdhspyder Oct 02, 2007 (9:10 pm)
Replying to: 1offroader (Oct 02, 2007 7:30 pm) 'Trucks', for reporting purposes, include both pickups ( +19% ), the Sienna ( -29% ) and all the SUVs ( -10% ). In total they were down ~5%. Link:Sept 07 and YTD sales It's the SUVs that are taking it in the neck at every vehicle maker. As gas stays at about $3 a gallon and most SUVs cost $30000 - $50000 this segment of 'trucks' is going to drag down the stats of every vehicle maker. This segment may never come back... ..a lot of them are being replaced by crossovers ..if gas goes to $5 a gallon only the filthy rich or those that absolutely need an 8-pass V8 will own them. Sequoia .... -29% YTD 4Runner .... -17% Expedition . +18% Explorer ... -24% Durango .... -30% TB / Envoy . -26% Tah/Yuk .... -10% Pickup trucks OTOH are pretty stable except for Ford's planned contraction.