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#181 of 333 Re: People here make way too much of the interiors of pick-up trucks [drfill] by anythingbuttoy Sep 23, 2007 (7:55 am)
Replying to: drfill (Sep 23, 2007 7:22 am) Fill, fill, fill...I have said this before and I'll say it again, try to stay with me here, I'll type VERY slowly for you, ok? Yes, the Silvy sales are down compared to last year, do you know/understand why? Let me explain..again. With high gas prices and a very poor/down housing and construction market, builders are not buying new trucks, they are making due with what they have. This affects the domestics because MOST real work trucks are from the Big 3. This does not affect Toyota because construction workers and other "real" truck buyers do not buy Tundra's. Sorry, but it's a fact. Now, as to why the Tundra's sales (as a percentage) are up...Because it's replacing a mid-sized wannabe that everyone agreed was less than capable as a full sized truck. Toyota fans finally have a full sized truck to buy. Of course they are going to pounce. Let's see if this can be sustained. I am betting it won't. Once the hype wears off and the people waiting for this new Tundra have theirs, sales will level off and will hover around 200K. Still a tiny little league player in a big league game. So, you continue to beleive that the reason the 1st gen Tundra was a flop was due to being "car-like" and "quiet" and not due to capability. Sure, most people put capability first, but they DO care about about build quality and fit-n-finish too. I can only imagine what you would be saying if the Silvy's interior was made of cheap painted plastic with poor ergonomics and the Tundra had the nicer interior. I am betting you would be singing a different tune, right? The bottom line is the GMT900's are just as capable as the Tundra, have better build quality/fit-n-finish, nicer interior, more features, better ride, more options/configs, get better gas mileage and all for a lower price. Nobody cares? LOL, nice try!!! I do, and from reading all of the forums, so do most people. "Utilitarian" Tundra...again, LOL, is that why I have yet to see one with a company badge/sign on it or on ANY construction sites? Face it, 95% of Tundra's are driveway queens that make Home Depot runs and streetlight race back home with fertilizer and plants in the bed. But in a sense you are correct, Toyota fans who buy this truck for it's 0-60 times can overlook it's inferiorities. Oh, what was wrong with the GMT800's interiors? And isn't a bit hypocritical to put down the 06 Silvy interior and then turn around and say "nobody cares"? Or is it that nobody cares about the crappy Tundra interior only? Replies to this message: gotoyota (Sep 24, 2007 8:53 pm)
#182 of 333 I can't speak as slowly as you by drfill Sep 23, 2007 (8:08 am)
I think way too quickly for that. But you need this explained, again. GM has MILLIONS of truck owners. THE biggest customer base ever for a redesigned truck! Sell them a new truck! The Tundra has the same market disadvanatges the Silvy does, probably more, as they've missed the market twice already. With the millions thrown into the design of this truck, the market, and the need to keep Toyota in it's place, the GENERAL has FAILED! You can spin it eight different ways, make any excuse you want. And you will! There are holes in GM's marketing, design, and power. Toyota is driving a Tundra through those holes. When Toyota is the only full-size truck gaining share, that says a lot about the job the domestics have done protecting their turf, and making better trucks. Losing 2-3% a year, on a brand-new truck is UNACCEPTABLE!! The time for EXCUSES has passed. They missed something, and they know it. You may not know it yet, but...... DrFill Replies to this message: anythingbuttoy (Sep 23, 2007 8:37 am)
#183 of 333 Re: I can't speak as slowly as you [drfill] by anythingbuttoy Sep 23, 2007 (8:37 am)
Replying to: drfill (Sep 23, 2007 8:08 am) Maybe I need it explained again..I ain't buyin that load of..... "Sell them a new truck"? Why? They already have a great one. Toyota has the same market disadvantages huh? Go to your local construction sites and tell me the ratio of Tundra's to Domestics, then tell me the Tundra suffers equally to a down construction market. C'mon Fill, a little common sense please. Toyota is still and always will be "in their place". That "place" is 5th. With a fraction of total sales as compared to the Big 3 and still no HD's or Diesels. Just ONE truck with 3 engine choices.
#184 of 333 Uh.... by drfill Sep 23, 2007 (11:18 am)
"Sell them a new truck"? Why? They already have a great one. Think there's a problem, when the truck they have is better than the truck you just made? DrFill Replies to this message: 12ozcurls (Sep 23, 2007 12:25 pm) drfill (Sep 23, 2007 12:44 pm) anythingbuttoy (Sep 23, 2007 4:50 pm) and 3 more... fueledup (Sep 23, 2007 12:26 pm) drfill (Sep 23, 2007 12:45 pm)
#185 of 333 Re: Uh.... [drfill] by 12ozcurls Sep 23, 2007 (12:25 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Sep 23, 2007 11:18 am) so did i hear someone say the Tundra frame is still riveted together? Isn't that like almost 20 year old technology? Isn't that what the '88-'98 Chevy/GMC had? Geeze, even the '99-'06 GMT800's had welded through cross members in their frame even though it wasn't fully boxed. Come to think of it, Toyota uses the same 350 size engine Chevy used to use, with a couple of extra valves. So let me get this straight, basically all they did was copy an american pickup, added a couple of extra valves, trans cogs, and 4.30 gears? Well that doesnt seem inovative at all. I wonder what all the hype is about. Replies to this message: drfill (Sep 23, 2007 12:44 pm) anythingbuttoy (Sep 23, 2007 4:50 pm) gotoyota (Sep 24, 2007 7:15 am) and 2 more...
#186 of 333 Re: Uh.... [drfill] by fueledup Sep 23, 2007 (12:26 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Sep 23, 2007 11:18 am) lets face it there isn't a truck on this planet that properly fills the need. the tundra and titan are advanced in techno. categories. but as far as a tough truck there both a joke. ford and chevy pretend to make advances but continue to take a step backwards. the dodge megacab in size is the only truck that truly satisfies. mileage sucks in all of the above. Ford like we really need a diesel with more horsepower. just design a diesel that gets 15mpg in stop and go traffic and at least 20mpg on the hwy when going 85mph. enough of those fake pie in the sky great milage post by all of you who (can't handle the truth pickup owners that) wont face reality. the big three and the little two has us by the b's. we try to argue which one truck really fills the need but in truth they all come up short on purpose so we continue our futile search for the holy grail with our short time on this planet. Replies to this message: drfill (Sep 23, 2007 12:45 pm)
#187 of 333 Re: Uh.... [12ozcurls] by drfill Sep 23, 2007 (12:44 pm)
Replying to: 12ozcurls (Sep 23, 2007 12:25 pm) What all the hype is about is Toyota is making trucks, full-size trucks, that make people buy. In a down market! Read a paper, or something. The frame is alot like a 2005 Ford HD. Not a bad truck to emulate. Unless you're calling that truck a joke? DrFill Replies to this message: anythingbuttoy (Sep 23, 2007 4:50 pm) gotoyota (Sep 24, 2007 7:15 am) anythingbuttoy (Sep 24, 2007 4:45 pm) and 1 more...
#188 of 333 Re: Uh.... [fueledup] by drfill Sep 23, 2007 (12:45 pm)
Replying to: fueledup (Sep 23, 2007 12:26 pm) .....the tundra and titan are advanced in techno. categories. but as far as a tough truck there both a joke. I can think of about a dozen Domestic execs who aren't laughing anymore. DrFill
#189 of 333 Re: Uh.... [drfill] by anythingbuttoy Sep 23, 2007 (4:50 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Sep 23, 2007 12:44 pm) "The frame is alot like a 2005 Ford HD." ROFLMFAO!!!! DrFill, you should be a comedian!! That was a good one!!! Hey Doc, I think you are seeing an extra zero in the Tundra's sales numbers. They are on pace to sell 200,000...not 2,000,000. From listening to you, one would think they sell 2 million/yr. 200K Doc, that's about 1/5 (or 20%) of the GMT900 sales. Replies to this message: gotoyota (Sep 24, 2007 7:15 am) anythingbuttoy (Sep 24, 2007 4:45 pm) gotoyota (Sep 24, 2007 9:33 pm)
#190 of 333 Did I say something funny? by drfill Sep 23, 2007 (5:55 pm)
Look it up. Please! Do something besides provide dim rhetoric. At least try to keep up. DrFill Replies to this message: anythingbuttoy (Sep 24, 2007 3:02 am) gotoyota (Sep 24, 2007 1:03 pm) 1offroader (Sep 24, 2007 5:06 pm) and 1 more...