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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 28, 2007 1:05 pm) Always thought Honda had the best technical brochures, but that's change lately. And like someone said earlier, the new Ody brochure only focuses on EX L and Touring....no pics of cloth interior etc... |
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on the brochures. Though I have an 07 Pacfica brochure which is no better than the Sienna or Ody, I think the minivan brochures for Chrysler are much better. The Sienna brochure was awful, the Ody is slightly better. atexieira hits on the problem I had with the Toyota---I WANTED Bluetooth, but the only way to get it was with a mondo expensive EVP that added $4k to the MSRP. It varies within the 7 Toyota regions, but its too bad---had I been able to add Bluetooth/JBL ala carte, I may have held off buying the Ody. As it was, I was looking at a $34+ MSRP just to get a Sienna with Bluetooth. It looks like I can add an aftermarket integrated Bluetooth system like Parrot on the Ody for a couple hundred bucks anyway. My Camry has that system and I love it--voice recognition isn't very good but its easier just to type the numbers in the cell phone anyway. |
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 28, 2007 1:05 pm) Why do you think the "Lifetime Warrenty" was so important to me. I was burnt before on the first-year model Windstar and know the problems associated with any new model yet alone one with a new engine and new transmission. On top of that I've read that minivans in general have more problems than any other type of vehicle. However, I have faith that Chrysler did its homework and learned from its previous mistakes. I could have gotten my 3.8L again but felt I was being too boring. Wish I had discovered this forum earlier as I was posting on another forum before asking where Chrysler had gotten the 4.0L and where it had used it before but nobody seemed to know the answer on that forum.
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Replying to: maryh3 (Nov 28, 2007 2:13 pm) You should be fine, the 4.0 was tested for years before being lauched in the Pacifica, then the Nitro. Same with the 6 spd auto. I read somewhere that it shifts just like a Mercedes......Hmmmm wonder why? They were working on a 6 spd prior to Daimler buying them, that program was cancel to avoid duplication etc.... |
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Replying to: mfletou1 (Nov 27, 2007 9:18 pm) Not sure what you're referring to about digging a grave. Sounds pretty harsh. And since you're "never going to know whether there is an equal amount of sound on a GC, or a Sienna, or an Entourage", no point on you criticizing my post which one of the points is for people to check it out when you test drive so you're not surprised and annoyed about it later after you already own the minivan. "frankly neither are you for all these vehicles". Get real. If I felt like it, I could easily drive the other vans listed above and compare the noise level. Not interested though. Another point was to hear the truth. And I got some honest replies and thanked people in advance & say thanks to them again. And you're accusing me of "bashing" the Honda? I said there are things I like about it and things I dislike. I just wouldn't buy one. Same goes for all the minivans. If you've read my posts, I've said no one minivan is the best in all categories. One has to make compromises. I've even mentioned specific things about the 2008 T&C that could have been better. So even if I bought the T&C Limited I would be making some compromises, but ones I could live with. Thank you very much for reminding me to clarify things. Time to move on. |
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Here's something recent from a popular car mag. road trip: "There truly is no better vehicle for a road-trip than a minivan, and if you're toting a brood of young'uns, I think the latest top-shelf offerings from Chrysler and Dodge are your best bet." "These are not good looking vehicles. They're not offensively styled, but they scream "function-first" from every boxy corner and character line. That's okay. With these things, it's all about inner space. And the insides LOOK great. Don't touch, or you'll find offensively rock-hard plastic practically everywhere, but the design and materials appearance is quite pleasing. The money ran out just short of perfect execution, but it's better to look good and feel bad, than it is to be both ugly and rock hard, no? " "The seats are all pretty comfortable too" "It's those seating and entertainment options, along with power-down third-row seats and a few other minivan innovations that separate the ChryCo vans from previous industry benchmarks like the Honda Odyssey, Toyota Sienna, and the Hyundai/Kia vans. The Honda still offers the most sophisticated engine (with cylinder shutoff), Toyota offers AWD, and the Koreans deliver amazing value for money, but none can match the Chryslers for passenger entertainment, comfort, and convenience." "On my 1700-mile trip, the 4.0-liter SOHC V-6 and (industry-first) six-speed tranny delivered almost 24 mpg. Not bad for a two-and-a-half-ton vehicle. " |
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Yes, you get Bluetooth on a Sienna with either the JBL sound system or with GPS Navigation, either of those. Chrysler's Lifetime Warranty does ease concerns with the new powertrain. I wish it were transferable, though. Suzuki's is the only ultra-long warranty that is fully transferable (7/100). Their only people mover is the XL7, though, not nearly as roomy. |
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Replying to: artgpo (Nov 27, 2007 5:11 pm) Okay -- lets see how it feels on the other foot. Do you believe the following "review". LOL, I do not. I find it rather entertaining. As I said you can't believe everything you read can you? Some people take car ownership too personally. How long could this guy have owned this vehicle already? Honda delayed the release of the 08 hoping to clear out its 07's. Saw a few buying 08's on this forum about 1 month ago at the soonest -- and this guy has been to the dealer 12 times already -- and gotten 3000 miles on it? I have only driven this van about 3000 miles and I have to say that I am VERY DISSAPOINTED in HONDA PRODUCTS!. I have been to the dealership a total of twelve times for an array of problems. The sliding door fell of it's track onto my 7 year old's foot. The DVD player keeps skipping. The lights on the dash will go out with no warning. The brakes are starting to squeek when they are hot. It has terrrible gas miledge (13 city/16 hwy). I had traded a Dodge Durango that got better gas mpg than this thing. And it never broke down or sent me to the dealership for any repairs. I have almost three years left on the lease of this scary creature. I don't think I'm going to make it. I thought the DVD would be a great feature for my children but it doesn't work. Honda should stick to things it knows. God knows it isn't cars and trucks. Maybe just make motorcycles. Anyone want to take over a lease out there?
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Replying to: maryh3 (Nov 29, 2007 12:40 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Nov 29, 2007 1:31 pm) I believe that honesty is the issue here -- and if you can find me the link between being a "professional" and being honest, I'd love to see it. I thought we all had had our fill of dishonesty within the media filled with self seeking ulterior motivated individuals. How about dishonest professionals too. I have already displayed how wrong media can be. Here is another example. I'm sure you have seen the Edmunds comparison between the 08 DGC STS verses the 07 Odyssey. You might notice how they pan the braking on the DGC claiming it was too soft, too weak, and one had to press too hard. Yet if you read the Honda Odyssey braking problems board I see complaints about the Odyssey brakes being too soft. Interesting discrepancy. But I believe all the posters. I suspect braking "softness" and "efficiency" are subjective issues in which drivers both "professional" and "amateur" may be biased. Just how does one become a "professional reviewer"? Is there a college course for this? What qualifiers do they have to have to secure that job? I think you will find that your own judgment is the best. You are the most concerned about your family than they are so do your best and make the best judgments you can knowing your motives are the purest. You won't lose your job if your review doesn't please anyone else.
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