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#899 of 1261 Re: It's still funny [carcom2] by ateixeira Nov 28, 2007 (9:20 am)
Replying to: carcom2 (Nov 27, 2007 6:18 pm) I didn't say I never roll the 2nd row windows down, I said that when I do, the front windows also go down.   Presumably, if there is something worth seeing, the people in the front would want to see it also! Think about it...   This used to happen with my Forester. It also happens with most moonroofs. Oddly enough, if you have moonroof buffeting, the best fix is the crack the two rear windows open.   So in that case having 2nd row windows that open actually solve the buffeting problem.       PS I don't own a Honda.
#900 of 1261 Re: Predicting the Future [hansienna] by maryh3 Nov 28, 2007 (10:24 am)
Replying to: hansienna (Nov 26, 2007 5:13 pm) My daughter's 1999 GC SE had 104,322 last week and it has had very few repairs. She likes it MUCH BETTER than my 2006 Sienna LE that now has 18,668 miles.   You cannot know how typical this scenario is. Though accused of having a sample size of 1, this is not the case. I am jealous of a friend who, like me, has a 2000 T&C, has just passed 200,000 on her original tranny and engine. She has had miminal repairs but lost her air conditioning this summer. My nephew has a 97. He just passed 200,000 also. He has replaced the tranny at 169,000 and the water pump at 189,000. My daughters preschool teacher had her 1996 DGC stolen at 235,000 mi. We joke about our "iron man" vans. My list could go on.   I will beg to differ from "Dennisctc" in that I observed several older Chrysler minvans have transmission problems. It was only after I talked to a mechanic who told me of changes to the transmissions in 1999 that indicated that Chrysler identified and dealt with the transmission problems of the early models. Dennis disagrees with me on this issue but it is my observation. I am uncertain of the 1999 models as to whether you can expect transmission problems or not. The 98's down often need transmissions prior to 100,000. Those manufactured in 2000 up fare much better.   I do not know your story. Why do you dislike your Sienna so much? People in general seem to like theirs. It would have been my second choice. The only reason I decided against it was that it seemed so plain in comparison to the 2008 T&C with all its new bells and whistles. Replies to this message: hansienna (Nov 28, 2007 10:54 am)
#901 of 1261 Re: Predicting the Future [hansienna] by maryh3 Nov 28, 2007 (10:28 am)
Replying to: hansienna (Nov 26, 2007 7:38 pm) The October 2007 Issue is an excellent example of their blatant bias against Chrysler and other American labels.   Did you notice that they hate Germany too? Too capitalistic I suspect.
#902 of 1261 Re: Predicting the Future [hansienna] by maryh3 Nov 28, 2007 (10:30 am)
Replying to: hansienna (Nov 27, 2007 5:55 am) I rip up every mailing offering a subscription to CR as quickly as deceptive advertising for politicians   LOL, you and I would get along quite well!!
#903 of 1261 2008 T&C / GC are the ONLY new for 2008 minivans by hansienna Nov 28, 2007 (10:40 am)
Honda very quickly sent me a brochure for 2008. Honda changed the Odyssey grille for 2008 but the 2008 Odyssey brochure has less useful information than prior Odyssey brochures. ( Who needs 6 double pages with photos of the Odyssey exterior in different colors?) I would like to see photos of the dash without NAV, photos of the interior of the LX and cloth EX, and the HP / torque curve graph of the engines.   The 2008 T&C brochure is much nicer than the 2008 GC brochure with HP and torque curve graphs for all 3 engines and options information in black on white instead of the hideous white on orange of the GC brochure.   I could see NO Changes in the 2008 Sienna compared to the 2007 which had a more powerful 3.5L V6 but still had same EPA fuel ratings as the 2006 3.3L. The 07 Sienna brochure had more useful information than the sorry 06 brochure (my dealer does not yet have 2008 Sienna brochures even though the 2008 Sienna has been on the market for months).   I have no interest in any minivan but these.
#904 of 1261 Re: review [bobw3] by maryh3 Nov 28, 2007 (10:42 am)
Replying to: bobw3 (Nov 27, 2007 1:27 pm) The point is that one person's experience, good or bad, isn't necessarily representative. Some folks here seem to think that professional reviews, surveys, etc aren't as important than their personal experience. So my copy/paste post isn't any more representative than someone who posts here saying how great the T&C is.   I repeat, nobody is as interested in your welfare, or has as much personal investment in you as you do.   My using of my own experience and observations displays my ability to think for myself and my distrust of people with possible ulterior motives and my confidence in my ability to make intelligent, well informed decisions. I can't blindly accept everything I read for everyone has their own interests in mind before mine!!
#905 of 1261 Re: review [bobber1] by maryh3 Nov 28, 2007 (10:46 am)
Replying to: bobber1 (Nov 27, 2007 7:18 pm) My Fury 3 Plymouth had the dreaded buffeting sound.    My Chevy Celebrity had the dreaded buffeting sound.    My Chevy Lumina had the dreaded buffeting sound.    My Chevy Impala had the dreaded buffeting.    My current Ford Taurus has the dreaded buffeting.    My current Honda Odyssey(which is a great vehicle) had the dreaded buffeting.   Add a 2007 Ford Focus to the list. Rented 1 a month ago and it buffetted horribly.
#906 of 1261 Re: Predicting the Future [maryh3] by hansienna Nov 28, 2007 (10:54 am)
Replying to: maryh3 (Nov 28, 2007 10:24 am) Using the experience of Chrysler minivans owned by friends, I feel Chrysler minivans are just as reliable as any other brand.   I trust people I know and can talk to in person more than the faceless experts.   I have DISAPPOINTMENT more than dislike of my 06 Sienna. I expected it to be better than my lowly, less expensive 02 T&C LX.   The Sienna driver's seat is infinitely more comfortable for me than the driver's seat of the 02 T&C LX was but the other seats were more comfortable in the T&C than the Sienna.   I like the MUCH larger cargo space behind the 3rd row of the Sienna that is 50% larger than that of the 05-07 T&C/GC and more than twice as large as that of the 02 T&C.   I MISS the separately controlled temperature for driver and front passenger and better controls for stereo, WSW wiper and washers, and HVAC of the T&C.
#907 of 1261 Re: review [dennisctc] by maryh3 Nov 28, 2007 (11:03 am)
Replying to: dennisctc (Nov 27, 2007 5:37 pm) You have to be skeptical of some who buys ABC Minivan yesterday, the wheels fall off, the engine explodes, the tranny fall out and it's the biggest POC on the planet. They join Edmunds today to bash, then you never hear from them again? If its bashing to doubt newbies like that, I'm guilty and will continue to be no matter what minivan they bash.    Most legit people on here would probably check out these forums before buying, do some research and buy, then complain and continue to complain year after year after year about how their 1917 Chrysler Minivan ended their family tree, started WWII and caused global warming overnight   I have to be skeptical because I have been looking for a minivan since mid-August, and those new 08 T&C's did not hit the lots until mid-September. And this person bought it and has had it in the shop constantly already? Her "review" is dated 10-7-07 and her friend had already wrecked hers and had the kids diagnosed with whiplash? The 4.0L Limiteds are both expensive and harder to come by. Only 1 person on this forum has one that I have seen, and they just got theirs recently. I'm still waiting on mine. I don't see alot of them out there yet either. A few have complained about their inability to test drive them because they can't locate any in their area. This has eased recently, and there are more Limiteds out there now, but unless this person has special pull so as to get one for her and her friend before the dealers did, paid full price, had the financing go through immediately etc --- I think I have reason to doubt the sincerity of this "review". Which leads me to wonder why people are so nutty so as to make up a review like that? Pride? A Toyota employee feeling threatened for job security? Hatred from a horrible experience? I don't get it. I had a horrible experience with a 1995 Ford Windstar yet I don't feel compelled to behave like that. I guess for some, cars are like their kids. They take everything associated with their vehicle personally and are threatened by any of their kids's peers or rivals.
#908 of 1261 small minivans by bobw3 Nov 28, 2007 (12:22 pm)
anyone here considered the Kia Rhondo or Mazda 5? If you're only using the 3rd row occasionally, they're worth looking at.

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