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What is this discussion about? Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Dodge Caravan, Hyundai Entourage, Mazda MAZDA5, Kia Sedona, Car Comparisons, Car Buying, Van


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Re: Look... [bobw3] by dennisctc
Nov 15, 2007 (3:40 am)

Replying to: bobw3 (Nov 14, 2007 7:40 pm)

re-read your post 520.
 
Please look up the terms "literally" and "figuratively".
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Re: Any review? [thegraduate] by dennisctc
Nov 15, 2007 (4:04 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 14, 2007 9:25 pm)

I'd appreciate you treating me as an adult, first of all.
 
Hmmm maybe there's a reason for this?
 
I'll just talk about the vehicles.
 
Vehicles you don't actually own, and reliving how bad your daddy's Chryslers were.
 
What is "the Japanese feel?" Would you clue me in please, I can't say I've heard of it. Not so much "feel" but Honda aren't exactly the quietess vehicles on the road. Their noisy high reving engine can be really anoying.
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Re: Any review? [maryh3] by dennisctc
Nov 15, 2007 (4:14 am)

Replying to: maryh3 (Nov 14, 2007 8:21 pm)

Eventually most rental minivans end up in private hands also, which does effect resale but even retail (driving both down). Regardless, Chrysler continues to sell every minivan they produce. People continue to buy them after 25 years now.
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Re: Look... [maryh3] by artgpo
Nov 15, 2007 (5:41 am)

Replying to: maryh3 (Nov 14, 2007 12:30 pm)

Ordered my T&C and did extensive research beforehand. If anyone wants THE BEST seats in the industry -- go Volvo. Their XC-90 seats 7 and could sub for a mini if seats are important. Yes, Volvo's are pricey but the seats are to die for.
And who would you put in the third row of seats, tiny humans? The XC-90's third row is not habitable for adult humans. I know and have tried to sit there.
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Re: Any review? [thegraduate] by artgpo
Nov 15, 2007 (5:54 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 14, 2007 9:25 pm)

I would not worry about comments made about you. The same few people are saying the same thing here they did several years ago. Your postings have always been insightful. If you ever made a mistake it was revealing your age, it was like hanging a target on yourself.
 
Some people on here bash Consumer Reports' annual auto survey as taking too much time to complete yet spend hours on here posting. I consider the CR comments and actual owner's evaluations to be far more accurate because they take a weighted total from a large group.
 
As I have said many times, a person who spends BIG bucks to buy a Chrysler mini to see its value drop 50% in the first year HAS to defend their purchase.
 
Others will try to impress you because they own a luxury nameplate car. We have had those too in this family only to see them as huge piles of junk.
 
Nothing and no one is served by bashing another member. If the core purpose of this forum was adhered to then valuable information might be exchanged.
 
Grad, keep on posting!
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Re: Look... [dennisctc] by bobw3
Nov 15, 2007 (6:15 am)

Replying to: dennisctc (Nov 15, 2007 3:40 am)

I noticed you didn't respond to my post about the Sienna and Odyssey both having more space behind the 3rd row and better legroom. Plus I'd think that someone would find some comparison review with the Caravan on the top of the list...sort of quiet in here...
 
It sounds to me like the Chrysler defensiveness is caused by folks trying to convince others that they made the best choice in their purchase. Usually when someone is trying to convince others, it's mostly because they were unsure of their decision in the first place.
 
Now if you really like the stowNgo or swivel seats, then the T&C/Caravan is the only choice. But if those two features aren't important, then what? You can probably get a T&C/Caravan cheaper with the discounts.
 
Look at other cars in the linup...Calibur or Sebring. How do those compare to a Toyota Matrix or Accord?
 
But it's good to have die-hard manufacturer loyalists like some of those here. It's makes for fun (if slanted) conversation!
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Re: Any review? [thegraduate] by maryh3
Nov 15, 2007 (7:15 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 14, 2007 9:25 pm)

"The fact that you desire isolation and floatiness tells me you don't quite get what I mean by a "driver's car." Nothing is wrong with your desire of a soft-riding car."
 
I found this comment rather arrogant. I get exactly what you mean. However, with all the floatiness of the T&C -- it still handles remarkably well. No personal attacks on my ability to determine a good handling auto please. IMO the 08 T&C was both - good driving - responsive, good traction, good steering and cushy at the same time. It is fair to say that the things that bothered me about the Odyssey may have tainted my test drive -- when something bothers you you don't see the good because of the bad. But I didn't feel the alleged horse power difference between the Odyssey and the T&C -- either engine.
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Re: Look... [bobw3] by maryh3
Nov 15, 2007 (7:24 am)

Replying to: bobw3 (Nov 15, 2007 6:15 am)

"It sounds to me like the Chrysler defensiveness is caused by folks trying to convince others that they made the best choice in their purchase. Usually when someone is trying to convince others, it's mostly because they were unsure of their decision in the first place."
 
Unfortunately this is exactly how I feel about Odyssey owners. It is almost as if they can't handle someone not liking that van. And again trying to convince themselves they made the right choice, that Honda is not having design, reliability or quality issues just like everyother auto manufacturer is.
 
I may have chosen an Odyssey had they not moved the spare tire into the window and split the 2nd window into 2 windows with thick black moulding further obscuring vision. Wanted an Oddy in 2000 - but too long of a wait. Thought I settled for a T&C and transmission problems. Now it looks like I made the right choice years ago, and I suspect I did so again.
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Re: Look... [artgpo] by maryh3
Nov 15, 2007 (7:28 am)

Replying to: artgpo (Nov 15, 2007 5:41 am)

Fair comment. I did not check that out -- are they THAT bad? I fell in love with the seats so may have been "blinded by love".

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