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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 14, 2007 8:18 pm)
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rather humorous. God forbid I suggest that different people have different priorities and they should pick the van best for them! No, you see the DGC and CTC are the BEST at everything! How silly I am! (And these same people complain that professional reviews are biased--funny, because it has to be every single one of them since the results are virtually always the same). Vans are not performance cars, no. I never said they were. I did say that the 3.8 is underperformed, and I believe a 10+ second 0-60 time speaks for itself. The fastest van out there is the Sienna, if that's what you want. I personally prefer the Odyssey's handling and steering so that is why it is my preference. There's another aspect to this--right now, the 2008 DGC and CTC are not any cheaper than the Sienna, and significantly more expensive than the Odyssey. I am looking at a new 07 Ody EX-L with leather, heated seats, auto climate control, etc, for under $26000. You can't come close to getting a DGC and CTC with those features for that price. Will that change? Probably. But right now, it is what it is. If people love their Chrysler vans, great. I can see why they may fit some families the best for what they need. I'm just not impressed with the interior quality and the feature content for the money. |
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Replying to: maryh3 (Nov 14, 2007 8:19 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 14, 2007 11:27 am) |
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 14, 2007 8:37 pm) When I want a good time I take out my Taurus SHO or the hubbys BMW. But I don't need a SHOdyssey. I want a floating cloud for a minivan. Even loaded down to the max, I never have had any trouble with power on the 3.8L. Has PLENTY. And its not like those few horses more on the Odyssey or Sienna would make THAT much of a difference in a loaded down situation. I don't get what all this is about?
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Replying to: maryh3 (Nov 14, 2007 8:50 pm) Having 25% more power DOES make a noticeable difference. We had a 2000 Odyssey with 210 hp. My aunt has the new Odyssey with a lot more power. Guess what... it sturggles a lot less when loaded down! Sorry you don't seem to get that, but going from 197hp to ~240-270hp is a BIG deal. There is basically as much power difference in going from a Chrysler Sebring with the bottom rung 2.4L 4-cylinder and the Sebring with the 3.5L top-line V6. A big deal! No doubt the Odyssey will do the slalom slightly quicker than the T&C. But you really ought to test the T&C again. I'm not even talking slalom times... I'm talking steering feel. The fact that you desire isolation and floatiness tells me you don't quite get what I mean by a "driver's car." Nothing is wrong with your desire of a soft-riding car.
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Replying to: mfletou1 (Nov 14, 2007 11:34 am) Underpowered for what? Racing? Towing? Getting to the next red light faster? Not underpowered for every day use, carpooling, shopping, Home Depot runs. Not sure why so many talk about underpowered minivans. My 1997 DGC Sport 3.3L is rated at 158 HP w/ 203 lb-ft. f torque and I've never thought it was underpowered. Of course it's not a sports car or a hemi. So now when I test any of the new vans, it's nice to see more power. |
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 14, 2007 8:59 pm) Quit your arrogance of assuming you are the "drivers car man" around here. I like the BMW sportier feel at times, but not when I go on long trip loaded down. I don't want the Japanese feel in a minivan. I want the Cadillac feel in a minivan. I want to relax, not feel the road. There are times I want to feel the road - when they happen I'd hardly get the keys for the minivan no matter how many horses it has or how tight the turning radius.
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Replying to: maryh3 (Nov 14, 2007 9:15 pm) I'd appreciate you treating me as an adult, first of all. Talking down to me makes you sound like the arrogant one. Not sure what your "drivers car man" comment is supposed to mean, although I'm sure it is meant as a put-down like the first half of your sentence. I try not to insult other posters, so I'll just talk about the vehicles. There are several people that frequent the boards who prefer a more firm ride to get some sharp steering and less floatiness in a car and are willing to give up having the most supple ride. I like the BMW sportier feel at times, but not when I go on long trip loaded down. Seems like I'd want more feel and connection with the road when maneuvering 5500+ lbs down the road. I know when helping my folks move across the country in a 2005 Odyssey, I was glad to have relatively sharp, weighted steering. Others have different standards and desires in a vehicle, and there is nothing wrong with that! There are times I want to feel the road - when they happen I'd hardly get the keys for the minivan no matter how many horses it has or how tight the turning radius. Some people can't afford the luxury of a second, sporty car. For them (people like my great aunt who owns the Odyssey), having a van that handles and accelerates the most like a car is a welcome compromise. I'm not sure what turning radius has to do with handling except for maneuvering into parking spots and the like. I don't want the Japanese feel in a minivan. What is "the Japanese feel?" Would you clue me in please, I can't say I've heard of it.
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