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Replying to: artgpo (Oct 18, 2007 4:17 am) 
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Replying to: bobw3 (Oct 18, 2007 6:09 pm)
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Replying to: dennisctc (Oct 19, 2007 2:44 am) And even if you do feel CR is biased, readers can at least read the reviews and test results and do their own ranking based on what's important to them.
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Replying to: bobw3 (Oct 19, 2007 3:42 am) I've always said CR is good for facts and figures, things that can't be subjective or spun i.e...0-60 times, MPG, braking, measured volumes and dimensions. When you get into "feelings" or "appearances", that when the bias comes into play. "Brake feel was better on vehicle A vs B".....I guess that would depend on what you're used to driving. I get out of my Company car - a Taurus, then drive my minivan, then jump in my old Corvair...they all feel different.
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Replying to: dennisctc (Oct 19, 2007 4:12 am) I think the problem is that a lot of car reviews base their final scores on how a car actually drives, more than style, or extra features. So while some folks like the stowNgo, swivelNgo, 2 video screens, etc, most car reviews put those sort of things secondary to the main components (driving, seating comfort, space, etc). On the one hand that makes me think that the domestics should try to get back to the basics, but on the other hand it's the extras and innovations that make domestics stand out.
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Replying to: bobw3 (Oct 19, 2007 4:34 am) Do I find CR accurate when I haven't had a single issue with my minivan, friends and family with minivans, some for decades being repeat DCX buyers have no issues, then I look at all red circles?
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Replying to: dennisctc (Oct 19, 2007 4:53 am) I think you meant black circles...red circles mean good! True...but what all of those black circles really indicates is that in comparison to vehicles with red circles, those with black circles will have more problems. So maybe 70% of the DCX will be without major problems while 80% of Odysseys trouble free, so the DCX owners you know are in the 70%. But that still doesn't change the comparison facts based on the CR data. You'll always find with statistics cases that don't fit in. With gas prices they'll say that the average price per gallon jumped 3 cents over the past week and make a big deal about it, while the stations around where I live jump 20cents in one day! And the data isn't evenly spread across the the US evenly, so while stats may show, for example, that 30% of the DCX will have mechanical problems, there won't necessarily be 3 out of the 10 folks you know driving DCX with problems. Your group could be 100% trouble-free. But there could be another group of 10 folks living in another state where 70% of their DCXs have problems. The point is not to necessarily infer that statistics will match your specific situation because they're based on thousands of data points. |
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Ok... lotsa info here: A reporter seeks to talk with owners and serious shoppers of any of the following 2008 models, and who are also parents: 2008 Dodge Caravan 2008 Toyota Sienna 2008 Honda Odyssey 2008 Mazda5 If you are interested in commenting on your experience, please reply to jfallon  edmunds.com no later than Thursday, November 15, 2007 and include your city and state of residence as well as the age of your child/ren.
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So I've been lurking the minivan forums for weeks now. Gone on a few test drives. And one question still remains. How do you get people into the back seat when there are car seats installed in the second row? Yes, I know you can push the seats together to make a bench, but then you lose the console. Is this the only way to do it? Can a person squeeze behind the 2nd row seat without taking out the carseat? 7 passenger Sienna- 2nd Row seat flips forward- definitely impossible with a carseat installed Odyssey- I cant remember exactly, but I know it doesn't flip forward like the Sienna. T&C- ??? If anyone has knowledge about these I would greatly appreciate it. It would save me another trip back to the dealerships dragging along my 6 month old and 4 year old. |
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Replying to: awindram (Oct 19, 2007 9:42 am) |
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