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#443 of 1261 Re: Honestly.... [mfletou1] by tedebear Oct 07, 2007 (8:10 pm)
Replying to: mfletou1 (Oct 07, 2007 7:40 pm) As for R&D, maybe some of you are finally getting it. Because of years of capitulation to big labor, the Big Three aren't able to invest the same as Toyota, Honda, and now Hyundai on R&D   It's called corporate greed. GM management complains that they are losing $1,500 per vehicle because of higher labor costs than Toyota. However, that doesn't keep the top executives at GM from averaging 250x more money per year in salary and bonuses than their average production worker.   I read a statistic recently that said if GM would go back to the 60s, where the top executive salary was "just" 20x more than the average worker, they would turn that $1,500 loss per vehicle into a $1,000 profit. Replies to this message: marine2 (Oct 07, 2007 9:47 pm) KarenS (Oct 08, 2007 7:38 am)
#444 of 1261 Re: Honestly.... [tedebear] by marine2 Oct 07, 2007 (9:47 pm)
Replying to: tedebear (Oct 07, 2007 8:10 pm) I'm going to carry this over to the other thread (Minivan Shopping - Domestic vs. Foreign) where it belongs. Wish they had an open forum for this. Replies to this message: KarenS (Oct 08, 2007 7:38 am)
#445 of 1261 Re: Honestly.... [marine2] by KarenS HOST Oct 08, 2007 (7:38 am)
Replying to: marine2 (Oct 07, 2007 9:47 pm) The Auto News board would be the best place to start a new discussion. You might want to look through the current topics as there may be something already suitable.   Automotive News & Views
#446 of 1261 This is cool.... by dennisctc Oct 10, 2007 (4:45 am)
Note the LED pipe lighting Same as the new Chryslers   future minivan Replies to this message: ateixeira (Oct 10, 2007 10:16 am) marine2 (Oct 10, 2007 2:20 pm) hansienna (Oct 10, 2007 2:39 pm) carcom2 (Oct 10, 2007 5:59 pm)
#447 of 1261 Strike is on by ateixeira Oct 10, 2007 (10:07 am)
As of 11am, UAW is on strike against Chrysler. Likely will delay the arrival of the 2008s, so it might hit them where it hurts.
#448 of 1261 Re: This is cool.... [dennisctc] by ateixeira Oct 10, 2007 (10:16 am)
Replying to: dennisctc (Oct 10, 2007 4:45 am) Gosh that is hideous. The outside looks like they slapped a new front end on the old Ford Aerostar!   Plus, that only seats 6, my Sienna seats 8. This is progress?   Mood lighting has been in many concepts before, and I doubt that would make production.   I like the 4 DVD screens and the center console, and the 2nd row seats remind me of the LS460L's.   I'll pass, though, too much pseudo-luxury and not enough utility. Replies to this message: marine2 (Oct 10, 2007 2:20 pm)
#449 of 1261 Re: This is cool.... [ateixeira] by marine2 Oct 10, 2007 (2:20 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 10, 2007 10:16 am) That does look sharp.
#450 of 1261 Re: This is cool.... [dennisctc] by hansienna Oct 10, 2007 (2:39 pm)
Replying to: dennisctc (Oct 10, 2007 4:45 am) YES. I may decide to buy another Toyota if they will eliminate the console between the front seats.
#451 of 1261 Re: This is cool.... [dennisctc] by carcom2 Oct 10, 2007 (5:59 pm)
Replying to: dennisctc (Oct 10, 2007 4:45 am) It does look cool. If I were to get DVD players I actually would prefer them on the back of the headrests - easier on the neck and it doesn't interfere with the view through the rear view mirror.   Fully reclining seats are excellent. Don't know why Chrysler doesn't have it in 2008's. They come in handy when you pull over to a rest area.   Keep this stuff coming on this Toyota. Any idea yet on if it will be in the US?
#452 of 1261 2008 Chrysler minivan by samnoe Oct 15, 2007 (3:15 pm)
Reading all the comments here, makes me more clear what I've said somewhere above. Chrysler did a stupid thing that they did not finish up competing all the way. The new minivan is beautiful, for the most part.   What else would they need? Well, first of all, the 4.0L engine & 6-speed tranny in ALL trim levels - at least optional. (and at least optional on Touring - the best selling version, not just on Limited!)   Second, the seating. Offer 8-passenger seating, the stow 'n' go seats should sit higher and flatter, not as angled, and so should be the 3rd row - like ALL OTHER minivans does, they give you much higher seating position and much more cargo space behind it.   Next, comes the interior quality and some design decisions, as giving oversize a/c vents and lower the temperature controls to an unacceptable position.   A lot of old goddies they used to offer on pre-2003 model years are still missing and haven't came back yet. Like the heated grid at the windshield wipers (many other vans have it - they copied from Chrysler!); illuminated glove box(es); illuminated ignition key ring; illuminated visor mirrors with variable brightness; and some other minor stuff. I also hate the gear selector position. The old column shifter is about 100 times more convenient and easier to use IMO.   I do like the beautiful interior LED lighting (if you haven't seen it yet, go out and give it a look, it's beautiful); I also like that the audio controls on the steering wheel remains the same design as before, in the back of the wheel - I think it's very clever (I hate the oversized steering wheel, though, It should be a little smaller, as on Toyota/Honda vans) - I also like that they changed the trunk opening handle - not "electrical" anymore as it was before. - I also love that you can "override" the power sliding doors. No other minivan does it as good.   I hate that with most options, you must take leather seating and/or DVD entertainment. These 2 options has to be 2 independent options IMO. Not everyone have children, and not everyone wants their children to watch DVD's or TV when traveling.   I love the extra large interior door handles, and the "Grab Pulls" which is very good on the Chrysler - but not good on the Dodge - why did they choose different designs? I like when your fingers can go "thru" - so the tip of your fingers can touch the palm of your hand when pulling/closing the front door. I also like the numerous storage bins on the front doors. And the bigger size exterior mirrors. Replies to this message: marine2 (Oct 17, 2007 3:27 pm) dennisctc (Oct 17, 2007 3:35 pm) bobw3 (Oct 17, 2007 4:29 pm)

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