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Replying to: dennisctc (Oct 07, 2007 10:10 am) There is no such thing as triple-time in the auto industry. Double is as high as it gets and that's only for Sundays and holidays, when most of the plants are shut down and only maintenance personnel are working. I've seen much of what you're talking about in various jobs I've had over the years. I used to work at a furniture warehouse and the employees would take breaks and sit, smoke and eat on new furniture that we were trying to sell. I would suspect you'd encounter the same thing if you were around a Toyota plant long enough or anywhere else.
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Replying to: tedebear (Oct 07, 2007 1:22 pm) I don't know where you're getting your info at, but I have neighbors and friends working at plants here in Detroit and could name names, getting double and triple time. Guys getting in a 6am, driving a hilo for a few hours, then skipping out with sup's approval to got boating in the afternoon. Smoking inside an enclosed space like an SUV is wrong. I doubt very much Honda or Toyota would put up with that behaviour ONCE, as they're not protected by antiquated unions.
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Replying to: hansienna (Oct 07, 2007 1:19 pm) Chrysler is headquarted in the USA and T&C / GC are made in Fenton, Missouri, USA; and in Windsor, Ontario, Canada. Toyota is headquartered in Japan but the Sienna is made in Indiana, USA. Honda is headquartered in Japan but the Odyssey is made in Alabama, USA after being made in Ontario, Canada for years. But where is the billions of dollars in profits going? Are they staying here and creating jobs for other Americans? Does it help strengthen our dollar and cut our balance of trade?
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Replying to: marine2 (Oct 07, 2007 2:02 pm) Don't forget about investment in capital, tooling, and technology. It takes a lot of time and money to develop a new vehicle...money spent on tooling new components like engines, trannys, LED lighting, seating etc.... |
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Replying to: marine2 (Oct 07, 2007 2:02 pm) 
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Replying to: dennisctc (Oct 07, 2007 1:30 pm) I am a UAW employee. I'm not a production worker but we are all covered by the same national contract as far as wages are concerned. There is no such thing as triple time. Some workers imply that they are getting triple time on holidays because everyone gets 8 hours holiday pay, whether they work that day or not. Then, if you work that day, you get double time in addition to that. That's not the same as triple time. Also, if someone goes in, works a few hours and then leaves they are taken off the clock and their pay stops at that point. It's all a matter of if going boating in the afternoon is worth more than the money you'll lose by taking off work. I agree that smoking in a customer's vehicle is wrong. I guarantee that if a supervisor caught someone doing it in the plant I am associated with the person would get some time off. Smoking is not permitted at all inside our plant, much less a customer's vehicle. |
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Replying to: hansienna (Oct 07, 2007 3:15 pm) Invester's stocks and bonds. Employee's 401-K and IRA's. Anyone know where all their 401-K's and IRA's are invested in? |
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Replying to: dennisctc (Oct 07, 2007 1:30 pm) As for R&D, maybe some of you are finally getting it. Because of years of capitulation to big labor, the Big Three aren't able to invest the same as Toyota, Honda, and now Hyundai on R&D, and the end results are inferior products. Not to say that Detroit isn't capable of putting out decent cars, of course. My larger point is that fundamentally, I'm a free market guy. I've changed as I've gotten older (and I'm not old, I'm still in my 20s!) Four or five years ago, I would only buy American out of that sense of guilt. But I've been left stranded and abused (literally actually) by an American company that I finally got driven to Toyota, and I haven't looked back. I'm not longer convinced its the "right" thing to do, in fact I feel like by settling for inferiority, I'm basically enabling a flawed industry that needs drastic reformation.
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Replying to: mfletou1 (Oct 07, 2007 7:40 pm) It's called corporate greed. GM management complains that they are losing $1,500 per vehicle because of higher labor costs than Toyota. However, that doesn't keep the top executives at GM from averaging 250x more money per year in salary and bonuses than their average production worker. I read a statistic recently that said if GM would go back to the 60s, where the top executive salary was "just" 20x more than the average worker, they would turn that $1,500 loss per vehicle into a $1,000 profit.
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Replying to: tedebear (Oct 07, 2007 8:10 pm)
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