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Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Dodge Caravan, Hyundai Entourage, Mazda MAZDA5, Kia Sedona, Car Comparisons, Car Buying, Van
#336 of 1261 Re: Recalls [marine2]
Sep 23, 2007 (4:01 pm)
I think that most of the vehicles today are pretty dependable. So it comes down to what you want to use your minivan for and what you want on it.
Yep Marine never would have been happy with the Ody it just doesn't fit his needs. I wasn't happy with my DCX van wasn't really what I wanted. First time I didn't keep a car to 100K miles. Was it ok I'll tell ya what never stranded in 50K miles. Just wanted some of the stuff Honda had at the time. Now the Chrysler has all those features and I think it's a van to look at before you buy anything else. In So. Cal. most people don't even look at the Chrysler cars. For value and comparision you should.
I also like to buy American made and American owned if possible. I believe keeping profit in this country is good for all Americans, creating more jobs outside of the automotive field..
Really hard to follow whats what in a global economy. But I love thing built in the US by us. I still have only bought one car built outside the US. My 2001 caravan(Windsor Ca). I recently bought 1000 shares in Ford when it was in the mid 7$ range. I think they could get themselves back in the swing of things. Chrysler has got alot of work, as does Ford. Each has come a ways in quality in the last 5 years. Chryslers warranty cost are high but have been reduced by 40% in the last 5 years. I remember a time when I didn't think I'd buy anything that wasn't a Pontiac. They called me and my 2 friends team Pontiac. Boy did I love my 1973 Grand Prix SJ 455 4 barrel. Talk about bad gas mileage. Man it was a great car for a 17 yo.
#337 of 1261 Re: Checked out Car and Driver last night [hause7]
Sep 23, 2007 (6:54 pm)
I just picked one up and read it at Barnes & Noble Friday night. No special skills required! I'm in the Birmingham, Alabama area.
Sep 23, 2007 (7:41 pm)
I sat in a 2007 pretty loaded Odyssey today. The dealer was closed but someone forgot to lock one of the doors of the van in the lot.
I know it's a matter of taste, but as nice as some of the van is like the looks of the seats, I really dislike the dash. It does nothing for me. The 2008 T&C is nicer to me. Maybe partially due to a a nice mix of colors with the faux wood & chrome. The Honda is pretty much all the same color. The tan looks better than the grey.
Seats were confortable. I didn't look at the window switches, but it seems like the 3 rd row windows do not open. Is that true? Also the 3rd row windows did not have the window shades. And there is not enough room to put your left arm on the built in arm rest because of the wall protruding into that area. I thought that was weird. The right side was fine. The T&C has more storage areas. The Odessey seems to have more 3rd row leg room but less room behind it than the T&C. Also the T&C stow area in the 2nd row has much more room than the in floor storage area of the Odessey. So I don't even care how good the Odessey may possible drive, I can't own a car if I don't like the dash.
#339 of 1261 Re: Checked out Car and Driver last night [thegraduate]
Sep 23, 2007 (9:12 pm)
maybe thats why i can't find it, you live in a complete different area than me, i live in Sacramento, ca. thanks though for informing me. =]
#340 of 1261 Re: Checked out Car and Driver last night [hause7]
Sep 23, 2007 (9:17 pm)
Ha, must be the time difference! lol
#341 of 1261 Re: Odessey [carcom2]
Sep 23, 2007 (10:10 pm)
So I don't even care how good the Odessey may possible drive, I can't own a car if I don't like the dash.
Not crazy about the dash in my 2005 Dodge GC. But I wanted Stow-N-Go. We bought the 2004 Honda Civic because the wife like the dash better than she did the Ford Focus. Even though she thought the Focus drove and rode better. I tried to talk her into the Focus, but she liked that colorful speedometer. Women.
#342 of 1261 Re: Odessey [carcom2]
Sep 24, 2007 (9:37 am)
The dash is definitely a matter of taste because I absolutely hate the fake wood and chrome on a lot of new cars. To me it's the ultimate in a cheap look. Or more so, a car trying too look expensive on the outside.
Reminds me of these new developments that have a brick veneer on the front of the house, so if you're standing directly in front (for a real estate picture!) they look great, but look on either side or down deep and they're cheap.
#343 of 1261 Re: Checked out Car and Driver last night [thegraduate]
Sep 24, 2007 (5:23 pm)
what place did the sienna come in? what was the 0-60 times?
#344 of 1261 Toyota Recalls
Sep 24, 2007 (5:59 pm)
You folks will have to excuse me while I laugh, but...
Does anyone else find it amusing that when anyone here criticizes Toyota they point to vehicles other than the Sienna?
That's like telling someone they are ugly because of the way their sister looks.
I have a subscription to C&D but the Oct. issue is not here yet. I'm not surprised that the Ody would be the enthusiasts' choice, though. I've mentioned it handled the best of the vans I sampled, though I didn't find the advantage compelling enough to overcome other factors.
#345 of 1261 Re: Checked out Car and Driver last night [hause7]
Sep 24, 2007 (7:40 pm)
I hate to ruin the ending!
CAR AND DRIVER STORY SPOILER ALERT!!! LOOK AWAY IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW THE OUTCOME!!!
8.0 Grand Caravan
8.9 Entourage (I can't remember exactly, I could be wrong about the Hyundai's time).
Finishing order: LOOK AWAY, LAST CHANCE!!!!!
Odyssey Touring, Sienna LE, Grand Caravan SXT, Quest SE, Entourage Limited.