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#325 of 1261 Re: Checked out Car and Driver last night [dennisctc] by socalawd

Sep 22, 2007 (9:07 pm)

Replying to: dennisctc (Sep 22, 2007 2:56 pm)
If you have a 4spd auto and Honda offers 5, your's is garbage, obsolete etc.. If your's has a 6 spd and Honda offers 5, your's is unproven garbage.
 
As long as it drives fine and does what it should who cares? Not me people should drive them and see for themselves.
 
If you get $5000 off your minivan and someone pays dealer markup for a Honda, you can only use MSRP numbers to calculate resale value, not actual transaction prices
 
If your van is 5000 off MSRP right off the bat you got a pricing problem. If your paying over MSRP for a Honda Odyssey it's 2004 or 2005!
 
If your minivan doesn't get anywhere near EPA numbers, you just point to EPA numbers anyways.
 
Thats been the case for most cars. As far as I can tell all minivans tested by CR got much less than EPA numbers. Really sounds like sour grapes.
 
If your minivan is 1.4 secs slower to 60 mph - get off the road you're a hazard!! If your minivan is 1/10th sec faster, your engine will probably blow up at 20,000 miles, hence the need for better warranty.
 
The fact is DCX has the highest warranty costs in the business. They spend 6 times as much on repairs than Honda. And only sell 33% more cars. Do figure. The warranty is to sell cars. You wouldn't give more unless you had to. I had the 3.3 liter, I don't think it was 1.4 seconds slower than my Ody(maybe the 3.8L was)but it sure made alot of noise but didn't really seem to be in sync with the tranny.
 
 If your minivan offers innovative features, you probably don't need em to begin with, unless they later show up on foreign minivans, and then they'll be of much better design, quality and a necessity.
 
What you need and don't need is not a big deal. Didn't dodge go with the side windows like Honda. The DCX guys yelled like crazy about that before. Now they seem quiet.
 
 Total recall numbers only matter, even if they're voluntary and minor, unless you have a foreign vehicle and are fixed via TSBs. You also can ignore the TSBs and tons of complaints online because others are more passionate then you are and have much higher expectations then you - so dismiss those numbers. If you had a single bad experience with a domestic product - never ever buy another, they're all crapola! And bash em every chance you can on Edmunds.
 
Look where ya want Chysler led all companies in recalls last year 2.3 million. Where there's smoke there's fire.
Honda had the least. Is the Chrysler van good, no doubt it is but I gave Dodge 3 shots at my business. I was looking after the Lifetime warranty came out and said damn there just isn't one of their cars I'd buy(now if I needed a truck That's what they need to fix. BTW I loved the edsel do you know where I can get one? Heard they had less problems per vehicle than my 2001 Caravan!
 
You are right with Chryslers numbers it's really not the right time to play the numbers game!

#326 of 1261 Re: Checked out Car and Driver last night [thegraduate] by hause7

Sep 23, 2007 (12:13 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 22, 2007 8:54 pm)
is it in the October issue?

#327 of 1261 Re: Checked out Car and Driver last night [socalawd] by dennisctc

Sep 23, 2007 (4:26 am)

Replying to: socalawd (Sep 22, 2007 9:07 pm)
Grad - I just replied to your post because it was convenient, not that I was responding to you directly so relax.
 
I like how people are changing their tunes now.
 
As far as real world recalls and warranty, How many cars does Chrysler sell globally vs Honda, and how do recalls vary global, or laws for filing suits, or even warranties?

#328 of 1261 Re: Checked out Car and Driver last night [hause7] by dennisctc

Sep 23, 2007 (4:35 am)

Replying to: hause7 (Sep 23, 2007 12:13 am)
November issue.....Seems to me that everything you'd want a minivan for, Chrysler knocked out of the ballpark. Great acceleration, smooth ride, extremely quiet ride, storage space, flexible seating. They didn't like the steering feel and handling was limited by the stability control etc.. Toss in one of the best warranty, and willingness to deal and Chrysler will probably sell almost 1/2 million vans.

#329 of 1261 Re: Checked out Car and Driver last night [dennisctc] by socalawd

Sep 23, 2007 (9:36 am)

Replying to: dennisctc (Sep 23, 2007 4:26 am)
As far as real world recalls and warranty, How many cars does Chrysler sell globally vs Honda, and how do recalls vary global, or laws for filing suits, or even warranties?
 
Ok Dennis I'll do your research. For 2006 Honda 3.55 million cars worldwide. The Chrysler Group 2.65 million cars. Cars recalled for 2006 Honda 1096, Chrysler group 2,300,000. As far as laws and lawsuits I'm not a lawyer. But if you send me the 21K you saved by buying the Dodge, you can put me on retainer. DCX(4.7 million cars sold includes all of DCX not just chrysler group) for 2006 led all car companies for warranty costs at 6.1 billion. Honda had warranty costs of under a billion. I really don't think recalls are the best way to see how good quality is I'm happy you now agree with me!

#330 of 1261 Recalls by carcom2

Sep 23, 2007 (10:35 am)

Replying to: socalawd (Sep 23, 2007 9:36 am)
While you're doing the research, it would be interesting to see a chart with not just the # of recalls for ea. manuf, but the breakdown of what the recall was for. Some things, I'm sure, less severe than others, so just looking at total numbers doesn't tell the whole true accurate picture when deciding on what vehicle to buy.
 
All co.'s have recalls. Even on newer vehicles:
 
"Honda is recalling 182,756 Civic sedans from the 2006 and 2007 model years in the U.S. to fix a faulty wheel bearing that may cause the wheels to fall off."
 
"Toyota recalls 533,000 Tundra's, Sequoia's"
 
"Six injuries and 11 accidents led Toyota to announce that it will recall certain 2004-06 Tundra trucks and 2004-07 Sequoia SUVs to repair faulty steering components."
 
"We find it odd that both Honda and Toyota made the announcements early in 2007, after the total recall figures for 2006 were announced. If Toyota’s more than half-million recalled vehicles from this incident had been added to its 2006 tally it would have been much closer to GM and Ford’s 2006 recall figures."
 
"Toyota recalls 130,000 Tundra's"
"This is a complicated one, folks. Toyota is recalling all 2003 - 2005 model year Tundra pickups due to a federal regulation regarding airbag deployment and child safety seat use"
 
Sorry for this post not having to do with minivans. Hope we can get back to the topic.

#331 of 1261 Re: Checked out Car and Driver last night [dennisctc] by carcom2

Sep 23, 2007 (10:46 am)

Replying to: dennisctc (Sep 22, 2007 2:56 pm)
I know exactly what you mean.

#332 of 1261 Re: quality [marine2] by siennami

Sep 23, 2007 (11:11 am)

Replying to: marine2 (Sep 04, 2007 9:50 pm)
Toyota also offers a lifetime warranty just like Dodge and Chrysler. I have one on my '07 Sienna. So that's not an exclusive for them anymore.

#333 of 1261 Re: Recalls [carcom2] by socalawd

Sep 23, 2007 (11:57 am)

Replying to: carcom2 (Sep 23, 2007 10:35 am)
While you're doing the research, it would be interesting to see a chart with not just the # of recalls for ea. manuf, but the breakdown of what the recall was for. Some things, I'm sure, less severe than others, so just looking at total numbers doesn't tell the whole true accurate picture when deciding on what vehicle to buy.
  
All co.'s have recalls. Even on newer vehicles:
  
"Honda is recalling 182,756 Civic sedans from the 2006 and 2007 model years in the U.S. to fix a faulty wheel bearing that may cause the wheels to fall off."
  
"Toyota recalls 533,000 Tundra's, Sequoia's"
  
"Six injuries and 11 accidents led Toyota to announce that it will recall certain 2004-06 Tundra trucks and 2004-07 Sequoia SUVs to repair faulty steering components."
 
Please read my entire post. I do not think recalls are the main issues with car quality!! All companies have recalls!! I am just pointing this out to dennis cause I think it's funny(He use to comment how many more recalls my Ody had compared to his 2005 DCX van, stating time spent at dealer, overall reliability, yada yada yada now the recalls per vehicle are about the same LOL).I think recalls might be a good thing in some cases. I noticed you picked Honda and Toyota to make a point of here, why not put GM Ford and DCX issues up?? If you read my post I just gave the answers to the questions I was asked, isn't that what you should do when someone asks you a specific question? Now you want charts plus a risk factor given to each recall(talk about opening yourself up for something LOL).

#334 of 1261 Re: Recalls [socalawd] by marine2

Sep 23, 2007 (1:29 pm)

Replying to: socalawd (Sep 23, 2007 11:57 am)
I think that most of the vehicles today are pretty dependable. So it comes down to what you want to use your minivan for and what you want on it.
 
I also like to buy American made and American owned if possible. I believe keeping profit in this country is good for all Americans, creating more jobs outside of the automotive field..

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