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#304 of 1261 Town and Country Limited review
Sep 19, 2007 (10:38 pm)
Another favorable review:
"If you’re in the market for a minivan now, the Town & Country Limited provides an incredible set of options, and is nicer to drive than the Toyota Sienna, and more comfortable than the Honda Odyssey; reliability rankings generally put the Chrysler and Honda together, in the “average” category, but the new “lifetime” powertrain warranty might help nervous prospects to give some more credence to the Chrysler. Either way, this generation once again leapfrogs the competition - and perhaps Chrysler will surprise us again in a couple of years, instead of making us wait until 2012. "
#305 of 1261 Re: Town and Country Limited review [carcom2]
Sep 20, 2007 (3:47 am)
That's a great writeup, but then again it is a Chrysler site I'll think of it as "balance" for the Edmunds/CR writeups.
I really liked the detail they got into, such as lighting of controls and storage like map pockets. Pictures were great too, not the typical OEM provided marketing pics.
#306 of 1261 Re: Town and Country Limited review [carcom2]
Sep 20, 2007 (8:12 am)
Nice, but I agree, allpar = home team.
The review actually seems pretty balanced, though, all things considered. They actually found it less nimble than the outgoing 2007s. Ride is better, though, and it's more quiet.
Sounds like T&C will chase the Sienna (quiet, ride-biased), while Dodge goes Honda hunting (handling).
While backing up "yellow and red LED lights that can be seen in the rear-view mirror" - cool.
Soft table is "not useful as an adult work table", but that's gotta be because they were concerned about it becoming a projectile in a crash. So this makes sense.
Why are the door pockets so shallow? And how 'bout a bottle holder, or is that just not shown in their picture?
The green lighting is pimp! Can you turn them off so the kids can sleep? (Yes, answered later in the article)
D-pillar is wide for that power hatch, so I wonder if that affects visibility. They have 3 kinds of backup assistance so you're probably fine there.
Bummer they didn't test a model with NAV to comment on its operation.
The Swivel seats look *much* nicer than the Stowable ones.
They should just make 1st gear taller, that would fix the tire squeel and probably help EPA city mileage, too.
#307 of 1261 Re: Town and Country Limited review [carcom2]
Sep 20, 2007 (4:11 pm)
Could you provide a better link? I clicked onto the link and got this:
"We have over 1,300 pages! Please use the menus or search!"
#308 of 1261 Re: Town and Country Limited review [carcom2]
Sep 20, 2007 (4:17 pm)
As a former satisfied owner of a T&C, I disagree with the statement that the T&C Limited is more comfortable than the Honda Odyssey.
I sat in a 2007 Odyssey Touring yesterday, and ALL seats were MUCH more comfortable than any of the dozens of T&C I have ever sat in....including more than one T&C Limited. The severe tilt of the 3rd row seat bottom of ALL Chrysler Stow 'N Go (and now also Swivel 'N Go) makes the 3rd row seat much less comfortable than either the Odyssey or Sienna 3rd row seats.
#309 of 1261 Re: Town and Country Limited review [hansienna]
Sep 20, 2007 (5:56 pm)
it worked for me and others apparently. The main site is www.allpar.com.
Then just look for the 2008 minivan info.
#310 of 1261 Re: Town and Country Limited review [hansienna]
Sep 20, 2007 (6:13 pm)
You thought the Swivel'N Go in the 2008 had a severe tilt? I think they're comfortable and my knees are not up high with little thigh support like in the crossovers. I'm still waiting to check out the improved Stow'N Go. The 3rd row didn't seem bad either except you have to raise the head rests so they're not down to your shoulders. I haven't seen the power 3rd row in person. Wondering if it's more comfortable than the manual third row. And per videos, it looks like you manually would still have to lower the head rests for the seat to stow or else the obstacle detection system would make the seat return upright. Still driving a '97 GC Sport with fabric seats. Still just as comfortable as always. SO are the 2nd row captains chairs and the 3rd row non stowable bench is comfortable too. It seems to even have more leg room than the 2008 and it can be slid back and forth for either more leg room or more cargo area. Nice feature. The fabric on all seats still looks almost new. They're holding up remarkably well.
#311 of 1261 Re: Town and Country Limited review [ateixeira]
Sep 20, 2007 (6:23 pm)
Wish someone would review and comment on how much better the optional self leveling rear suspension is already.
#312 of 1261 2008 Sienna vs. other minivans
Sep 20, 2007 (8:29 pm)
I have a 2004 Sienna and have liked many of the comfort features, ride, etc. However, my van has the drivers side door weld that has broken (see http://www.toyotasiennadefects.info).
Has anyone seen a 2008 Sienna if they have made any changes to the design? I am gun shy of them. I plan on will getting mine fixed and looking at the Honda or Chrysler...
#313 of 1261 Re: Catching up... [bobw3]
Sep 21, 2007 (4:46 am)
Or maybe Sienna owners aren't even willing to look at other vehicles? Maybe Caravan owners are smarter shoppers who like to look around and compare, while Sienna owners don't even consider anything else based on the other reviewers. I've heard many folks say that "I'd never buy a Dodge because they're unreliable." or "I'd never buy a Ford because they're junk" but then I've never heard anyone say "I'd never buy a Toyota because they're junk" True or not, it's the perception for many.
Well for a long time, vehicles like the Toyota did have a big advantage over American vehicles. But that advantage is pretty much gone. American vehicles are rated better than European in quality and dependability and I think close to par with Asian vehicles. Toyota has sliped badly in the last few years, although you would never know it by reading Consumers Report. They still can do no wrong in their eyes.
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