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Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Dodge Caravan, Hyundai Entourage, Mazda MAZDA5, Kia Sedona, Car Comparisons, Car Buying, Van
#301 of 1261 Re: Catching up... [ateixeira]
Sep 18, 2007 (8:48 pm)
Yet still, 79% of Sienna owners would buy another, compared to only 49% of Caravan owners.
I think I can understand that. While I love my 2005 DGC. The outside is as nice as any of them. Up until the 2008, the inside of the Dodge/Chrysler's were very bland and for years, they didn't do anything to dress them up. My Brother's 1999 Plymouth minivan looks much like my 2005 inside. That has to be a turn off to anyone buying a new one. I know I kept a Ford Ranger for 11 years and went to buy a new one and the inside was much like my old one. Instead I bought a Dodge Dakota.
The Honda Ody threads focus mostly on the handling. Sure, some people here and there will mention their favorite feature, but the bottom line that made the Ody stand out was that it handled most like a car.
One thing they have said about the Chrysler minivans from the first year they ever made them, was they drove like a car.
No sir! Not so fast (pardon the pun). Edmunds has not yet tested the new 3.5l Sienna, which is the quickest van ever tested by many magazines. It is both lighter and more powerful than the Dodge/Chrysler top 4.0l engine. I'm willing to wager the Toyota is still quicker - some reviews have 0-60 in the high 6s, the slowest times I've seen was 7.8 seconds to 60. So even the slowest time for a Sienna beats Edmunds' 4.0l T&C.
Are we to buy a minivan for speed? I mean they're not race cars. The 4.1 is faster than the 3.8 and the 3.8 was only 1.7 sec. slower than the Honda in the quarter mile. My 3.8 has all the horses I need. How fast it was, wasn't even a consideration. Having enough speed to climb a mountain and to merge onto the freeway easily enough was and it did both quite well.
I think with the new minivans, you'll always find one that will do somethings better than the other in all the makes. So when you pick one, you have to know what you want and need. I wouldn't buy a Chrysler minivan if I needed to carry eight people at times. Some wouldn't buy a Honda or Toyota if your going to carry a lot of stuff, as I doubt you'd want to haul seats in and out. If you don't have a few kids, Chrysler's television or duel individual DVD's wouldn't interest you. But if you like to load your own music and pictures on My Gig, Chrysler might be your choice.
My self, I like to buy American owned and made when ever possible. It keeps money here to help create jobs for other Americans. Although my wife loved the dash in the Honda Civic, over the Ford Focus, she won out. I wanted the Dodge because of the stow-n-go. I have had trucks for years and saw how much a minivan could hold when my Brother and I moved my Sister and he used his minivan and I used my truck. He was getting more in than I was. I just didn't like having to take out and put back his heavy seats. So a lot depends on what you want and how you feel.
#302 of 1261 Re: Catching up... [marine2]
Sep 19, 2007 (3:26 am)
Good post...there's not any "best" because it really depends on your needs.
Yet still, 79% of Sienna owners would buy another, compared to only 49% of Caravan owners.
Or maybe Sienna owners aren't even willing to look at other vehicles? Maybe Caravan owners are smarter shoppers who like to look around and compare, while Sienna owners don't even consider anything else based on the other reviewers. I've heard many folks say that "I'd never buy a Dodge because they're unreliable." or "I'd never buy a Ford because they're junk" but then I've never heard anyone say "I'd never buy a Toyota because they're junk" True or not, it's the perception for many.
#303 of 1261 Re: Catching up... [marine2]
Sep 19, 2007 (8:10 am)
The survey is more about buyer's remorse than it is about satisfaction. They asked existing owners if they would buy the same van again if they could go back in time. It's not what they would consider next time around.
If buyers only want Toyota, and won't consider another brand, it's likely due to a good experience with the product in that past, and that would have been earned.
But remember, they asked people if they could go back, would they buy the same van again, so very few Sienna buyers felt buyer's remorse, i.e. they were happy with their decision after the purchase.
Any how, one would expect Dodge's numbers to improve substantially given the significant update.
Vans are not for speed, but someone mentioned the Dodge was the quickest, and I don't believe it is. I was correcting them. I didn't bring up speed as a high priority.
Given the high payloads these are rated to carry, however, I do think that having abundant power is important.
I'm a Brazilian citizen so the "Made in America" tag doesn't mean much to me, but the Sienna is built by Hoosiers, FWIW.
I guess I should buy a Mini Cooper, because the engines are made in Brazil.
#304 of 1261 Town and Country Limited review
Sep 19, 2007 (10:38 pm)
Another favorable review:
"If you’re in the market for a minivan now, the Town & Country Limited provides an incredible set of options, and is nicer to drive than the Toyota Sienna, and more comfortable than the Honda Odyssey; reliability rankings generally put the Chrysler and Honda together, in the “average” category, but the new “lifetime” powertrain warranty might help nervous prospects to give some more credence to the Chrysler. Either way, this generation once again leapfrogs the competition - and perhaps Chrysler will surprise us again in a couple of years, instead of making us wait until 2012. "
#305 of 1261 Re: Town and Country Limited review [carcom2]
Sep 20, 2007 (3:47 am)
That's a great writeup, but then again it is a Chrysler site I'll think of it as "balance" for the Edmunds/CR writeups.
I really liked the detail they got into, such as lighting of controls and storage like map pockets. Pictures were great too, not the typical OEM provided marketing pics.
#306 of 1261 Re: Town and Country Limited review [carcom2]
Sep 20, 2007 (8:12 am)
Nice, but I agree, allpar = home team.
The review actually seems pretty balanced, though, all things considered. They actually found it less nimble than the outgoing 2007s. Ride is better, though, and it's more quiet.
Sounds like T&C will chase the Sienna (quiet, ride-biased), while Dodge goes Honda hunting (handling).
While backing up "yellow and red LED lights that can be seen in the rear-view mirror" - cool.
Soft table is "not useful as an adult work table", but that's gotta be because they were concerned about it becoming a projectile in a crash. So this makes sense.
Why are the door pockets so shallow? And how 'bout a bottle holder, or is that just not shown in their picture?
The green lighting is pimp! Can you turn them off so the kids can sleep? (Yes, answered later in the article)
D-pillar is wide for that power hatch, so I wonder if that affects visibility. They have 3 kinds of backup assistance so you're probably fine there.
Bummer they didn't test a model with NAV to comment on its operation.
The Swivel seats look *much* nicer than the Stowable ones.
They should just make 1st gear taller, that would fix the tire squeel and probably help EPA city mileage, too.
#307 of 1261 Re: Town and Country Limited review [carcom2]
Sep 20, 2007 (4:11 pm)
Could you provide a better link? I clicked onto the link and got this:
"We have over 1,300 pages! Please use the menus or search!"
#308 of 1261 Re: Town and Country Limited review [carcom2]
Sep 20, 2007 (4:17 pm)
As a former satisfied owner of a T&C, I disagree with the statement that the T&C Limited is more comfortable than the Honda Odyssey.
I sat in a 2007 Odyssey Touring yesterday, and ALL seats were MUCH more comfortable than any of the dozens of T&C I have ever sat in....including more than one T&C Limited. The severe tilt of the 3rd row seat bottom of ALL Chrysler Stow 'N Go (and now also Swivel 'N Go) makes the 3rd row seat much less comfortable than either the Odyssey or Sienna 3rd row seats.
#309 of 1261 Re: Town and Country Limited review [hansienna]
Sep 20, 2007 (5:56 pm)
it worked for me and others apparently. The main site is www.allpar.com.
Then just look for the 2008 minivan info.
#310 of 1261 Re: Town and Country Limited review [hansienna]
Sep 20, 2007 (6:13 pm)
You thought the Swivel'N Go in the 2008 had a severe tilt? I think they're comfortable and my knees are not up high with little thigh support like in the crossovers. I'm still waiting to check out the improved Stow'N Go. The 3rd row didn't seem bad either except you have to raise the head rests so they're not down to your shoulders. I haven't seen the power 3rd row in person. Wondering if it's more comfortable than the manual third row. And per videos, it looks like you manually would still have to lower the head rests for the seat to stow or else the obstacle detection system would make the seat return upright. Still driving a '97 GC Sport with fabric seats. Still just as comfortable as always. SO are the 2nd row captains chairs and the 3rd row non stowable bench is comfortable too. It seems to even have more leg room than the 2008 and it can be slid back and forth for either more leg room or more cargo area. Nice feature. The fabric on all seats still looks almost new. They're holding up remarkably well.