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Replying to: carcom2 (Sep 15, 2007 9:31 am) $39175 vs $42K+. Is the T&C worth that much more? Doesn't the Sienna have higher quality materials inside? Yes, but the Chrysler will probably be discounted and the Toyota won't. So chances you'll pay more for the Sienna and not get nearly as much on it. The leather on the Chrysler has been upgraded. The main difference inside, is the plastic look. One is softer and rounded. the other is more squared off and harder. Both look nice. So which is a better vehicle as far as driving, comfort, etc. Is the T&C worth $3K more so my passenger has more power seat adjustments and the 2nd row passengers can heat up their seats when it's cold? Or paying more because it looks different....etc. Which has the better sounded stereo? That's important to me. Guess I should go test drive a 2008 Sienna. I don't know which has the better sound system. I do know Chrysler has a 506 watt 7.1 surround system with subwoofer. What does the Toyota and Honda have? Funny, before Chrysler came out with all this stuff on their van, Toyota and Honda owners were saying they got them because of all the goodies and safety features they had that Chrysler didn't. The inside of Chrysler was to bland. The 1.7 second advantage Honda had in the quarter mile made Chrysler vans a dog and unsafe to pull out in traffic. Now Chrysler has put to bed all those concerns and did Toyota and Honda one better and all of a sudden it's who needs all that stuff on their vans? Funny how things change.
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Replying to: marine2 (Sep 15, 2007 10:52 am) On the way home from Sam's, I stopped at a Chrysler dealer and test drove my first 08 T&C limited today. Here's my impressions: 1) OMG is it fast, compared to my 2005 3.8. Shifts were smooth too. 2) Was quieter than my 05 I noticed. 3) I think the interior matches anything else on the market. The small graining was uniform from IP to door, it was rich looking and I loved the satin metal inserts. 4) $38,000 - OUCH!!!!! 5) The sales person knew all about it, showing me all the features of MyGig and even loading pics to it!!! 6) Seats were very comfortable, supportive etc.. Although Swivel n Go, did nothing for me. I want/need Stown N Go. Said he could probably knock a few thousand off? I can't justify a new minivan when my old one has only 21k miles on it though. I think I'll hang on a few more years here!
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Replying to: dennisctc (Sep 15, 2007 3:41 pm)  To be fair: WHY don't Honda and Toyota make the separately controlled temperature for driver and front passenger optional on the Odyssey LX and Sienna CE? 
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Wall Street Journal http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118911195022019743.html?mod=autos_feature_articl- - es
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Replying to: carcom2 (Sep 16, 2007 8:11 pm)
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Replying to: dennisctc (Sep 17, 2007 3:20 am) Before you start calling me all manner of names I am not trying to be negative or positive about the Chrysler vans, just stating a case for NOT using Motorweek as a test standard.
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Replying to: artgpo (Sep 17, 2007 4:43 am) |
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http://www.toyotasiennadefects.info/ Yet still, 79% of Sienna owners would buy another, compared to only 49% of Caravan owners. My point is, if you look hard enough you'll find many sites like this for any given vehicle. I Googled "Dodge AND Caravan AND Lemon" and got 602,000 hits. Given the human life expectancy of a mere 75 years or so, I would die before I finished my research, so I'll pass on any further investigation, but it's fair to say it would not be hard to find one (or 50) similar sites for the Dodge vans. marine wrote: Chrysler will probably be discounted and the Toyota won't You mentioned this in the other thread, and I showed how loaded Chryslers in the Mid-Atlantic actually cost $2400 more right now. This is comparing 2008s for both, with no rebates on either, same exact dealer, both no-haggle prices. Now Chrysler has put to bed all those concerns and did No sir! Not so fast (pardon the pun). Edmunds has not yet tested the new 3.5l Sienna, which is the quickest van ever tested by many magazines. It is both lighter and more powerful than the Dodge/Chrysler top 4.0l engine. I'm willing to wager the Toyota is still quicker - some reviews have 0-60 in the high 6s, the slowest times I've seen was 7.8 seconds to 60. So even the slowest time for a Sienna beats Edmunds' 4.0l T&C. Toyota and Honda owners were saying they got them because of all the goodies and safety features they had that Chrysler didn't I respectually disagree. When I did my research in shopping for a minivan that's not at all the impression you got from the Ody/Sienna threads. The Honda Ody threads focus mostly on the handling. Sure, some people here and there will mention their favorite feature, but the bottom line that made the Ody stand out was that it handled most like a car. If you go to the Sienna threads and ask why they got it, the two things that come up consistently are reliability and space. It's the only van with 8 comfortable seats, and many owners are on their 3rd (or 10th) Toyota. Safety features? No way, Sienna didn't even make VSC standard until 2008! How could they be bragging about that? I will say this - I am seeing a lot of passion from Dodge owners, and I respect that a lot more than any talk of 0-60 times.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 17, 2007 11:55 am) http://www.google.com/search?q=Toyota+Honda+Lemon&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&start=90&sa=N Thanks for showing us that Toyota and Honda are NOT as good as CR, Edmunds, and some Car Space posters would lead us to believe. 
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