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Re: Can power slide door motors be temporarily disengaged [bobw3]
by ateixeira
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Sep 14, 2007 (10:58 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Sep 14, 2007 10:52 am)
Either that, or you just gear the engine very tall, which is what Toyota did.
Tall gearing has the same effect as using a smaller engine. The bigger engine turns fewer RPMs and uses the same amount (or even less) fuel. Yet you have the power for the times when you need it, the transmission can just kick down.
Their strategy worked. I've twice averaged 30.6 mpg driving to the beach, about a 3 hour trip.
That's with 5 people, luggage, and a dog, going 65-75 mph. I could do better at 55mph with an empty van.
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- #271 of 1261
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Re: Not looking for extras [sciamachy]
by ateixeira
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Sep 14, 2007 (11:02 am)
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Replying to: sciamachy (Sep 14, 2007 10:51 am)
Drive them, they're not far from what I consider the class leaders. Value is a strong point.
In fact, in my opinion the base vans from Hyundai and Kia represent the best value, because at those prices they make no excuses whatsoever.
By that I mean material quality that you might complain about on a $28k van are perfectly fine at $19,800, which was the street price for a Hyundai Entourage GLS last time I checked.
I drove a more loaded up one, and felt that for mid 20s pricing I wanted a nicer environment.
I shopped here: www.fitzmall.com
My concerns:
* at the time, Kia/Hyundai had not yet sorted out a tire balance issue, now there is a TSB
* unproven reliability, though it looks promising
* poor resale still plagues Hyundai (1 star ALG)
* wife still felt Hyundai's image was not there yet
I didn't care about image, but the Sienna has 5 star resale and a nicer interior, so we spent a bit more and have no regrets.
If my budget were $20k there might be an Entourage in my driveway, though.
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- #272 of 1261
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Re: Just to mention a few more I left out before. [carzzz]
by vinhphuc
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Sep 14, 2007 (1:48 pm)
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Replying to: carzzz (Sep 14, 2007 8:51 am)
Another Quest basher, huh? What do you own? I'm a bit sick and tired of hearing all the bad-mouthing of the Quest. Here is my own personal experience with the Quest (since I own one!). We bought a Quest SE in May 05. Since then, we have accumulated ~22.5K miles on it, and did numerous trips from Potomac, MD to Williamsburg, VA. We also did a few longer trips to Outer Banks, NC, and to Montreal, QC (Canada). Any problems as you mentioned (loud engine noise, rattles, squeaks, etc.)? NO, NON, NOPE, NIET, NADA (feel free to add a few more "NO" in other languages if you know them!). We carried load (and I mean LOAD OF LUGGAGES) on these trips and never ran out of space. With 2 young kids (or infants), you can imagine what you have to bring, right? "Cargo is least in its class"! What do you carry? Your whole house with you? "Lack of split 3rd row" True but I never felt I needed one! "Lack of roll-down window for the 2nd row" That's why the AC is there for, for God's sake! Beside, roll down your own window brings in enough wind to blow your wig off, trust me! "Test drive sienna/ody" Yup, did that and I loved what Quest gave me over the 2 other ones, including the styling (What is there to like a boxy thing like the Ody. Sat in, drove it, even have my sister owns it, so I guess I know a bit what I'm talking about here); I take it you like vanilla ice cream over all the other flavors, right?). Sing all the praises on Sienna or Ody or any other van if you will, but stop bashing the Quest for no good reason.
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- #273 of 1261
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Re: Not looking for extras [sciamachy]
by marine2
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Sep 14, 2007 (3:55 pm)
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Replying to: sciamachy (Sep 14, 2007 10:51 am)
3 - Sorry if I missed it, but I now do not understand the general difference between the Dodge GC line and the Chrysler T&C - I thought the T&C was the upscale line, but with things I have seen here I am now not so sure. What is the rationale/difference between the two lines?
The Chrysler is the upscale line. You'll get a little upgrade finish, like wood grain look dash, a softer ride, different wheels and a bit more chrome. But everything else about the two makes is pretty much the same.
Difference between 07-08 Dodge/Chrysler is new look compared to old. You can get the life time warranty on both and there should be some great discounts on the 07.
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- #274 of 1261
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Re: Just to mention a few more I left out before. [vinhphuc]
by carzzz
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Sep 14, 2007 (4:19 pm)
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Replying to: vinhphuc (Sep 14, 2007 1:48 pm)
I own 2005 Nissan Quest S. It is the most disappointing vehicle i ever purchased. I bought mine in Nov 2005 (new 15 miles on ODO). It is slightly over 12k miles now. I am on the 3rd set of rotors. My tranny slip from 2-3. Nissan refuses to repair this junk. There many places has rattle that both slide doors, back hatch, side mirrors, Front windows, and seatbelts. I feel like the van is going to fall apart soon. Currently, I still have a 1997 Mercury Village (brother's of Nissan Quest) at the same time. I thought the junk will be as reliable as my Villager so we go with the Quest. What a mistake! I should have believe the Consumer Report. My old one drives nicer than 2004+ junk, despite it underpowered. I won't make a personal attack at you. I do notice it has way too much vibration in this van. When it idles in Drive, look towards the passenger side, the headrest/chair is shaking/vibrating. If you dont notice this in your van, Congratulation. Lastly, I forgot about this van has a big turning radius that a sienna could make a 5-pt turn, whereas i make 9-pt turn on same tight spot. The rear view is so bad that it is very hard to see/estimate the space when back-in. Congratulation to you again that you have the rear view camera so it does affect you! Glad to see you love your Quest!
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- #275 of 1261
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Nissan Quest
by carcom2
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Sep 14, 2007 (6:07 pm)
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Replying to: carzzz (Sep 14, 2007 4:19 pm)
Also for vinhphuc.
Amazing to see such opposite opinions & experiences.
Do you know anyone with a 2007 Quest though? Supposedly they made major improvements with the 2007 and addressed many of the issues you've experienced.
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- #276 of 1261
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Re: Nissan Quest [carcom2]
by carzzz
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Sep 14, 2007 (6:21 pm)
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Replying to: carcom2 (Sep 14, 2007 6:07 pm)
The rattle still exists on 07. I haven't driven one, but it rides alike. The shuttle i rode on has only one rattling slide door (wow), yet it is a lot louder than mine. Still, 2007 has improved, but still nowhere near Ody/Sienna level of refinement. Look how little Quest sales even they revised it, I would wonder why.
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- #277 of 1261
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A good reason to think twice about buying a Sienna
by hansienna
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Sep 15, 2007 (3:42 am)
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http://www.toyotasiennadefects.info/
When looking at minivans a few years ago, I was told by a Toyota salesman that the power sliding door was the cause of 99 % of Sienna problems. Fortunately, my 06 Sienna does NOT have the driver's side power sliding door that is the subject of this Toyota Sienna Defect. 
Will Toyota step up and offer a recall to fix this major problem? 
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- #278 of 1261
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Re: WHY just the measurements that favor the Odd and Sienna?. [bobw3]
by carcom2
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Sep 15, 2007 (9:03 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Sep 14, 2007 5:44 am)
Even if you don't stow the seats, there's a tremendous amount of storage area in those wells. So then though, if you have stuff stored in them and you then need to stow the seats, you'll have to remove all the stuff stored in the wells.
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- #279 of 1261
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2008 Sienna Limited vc 2008 T&C Limited
by carcom2
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Sep 15, 2007 (9:31 am)
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Both fully loaded FWD - T&C cost about $3K more!
$39175 vs $42K+. Is the T&C worth that much more? Doesn't the Sienna have higher quality materials inside?
For $3K I could still have $ left over after buying a computer w/ more than 20 gig, an ipod,dvd player, snack trays and more than 1 flashlight, extended warranty. Don't really need dvd's, but nice to have for the rare occasion and don't need SAT TV w/ just 3 channels for a monthly fee after 1 yr. So which is a better vehicle as far as driving, comfort, etc. Is the T&C worth $3K more so my passenger has more power seat adjustments and the 2nd row passengers can heat up their seats when it's cold? Or paying more because it looks different....etc. Which has the better sounded stereo? That's important to me. Guess I should go test drive a 2008 Sienna.
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