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Re: I test drove 2008 T&C LX and I prefer it [bobw3]
by tonyv1
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Sep 11, 2007 (10:18 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Sep 11, 2007 6:08 am)
I admitted I was mainly attracted by the style and features of the new 2008 TC and DCX. I only test drove all three vehicles to see how the TC stacked up to the so-called "holy grail" Odyssey and the "best value" Sedona, neither of which I would buy. I am typical in that I am not a mechanic nor test car driver. The dealer is not going to let me race his only new test vehicle on a highway or obstacle course. My perception is that the ride on all three minivans is just fine for my usage. The difference entirely lays in the styling and features for my preferences, which clearly are not a typical family's needs, rowdy or not. No offense.
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- #228 of 1261
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Re: I test drove 2008 T&C LX and I prefer it [tonyv1]
by hansienna
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Sep 11, 2007 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: tonyv1 (Sep 10, 2007 8:19 pm)
The 2008 T&C LX with 24H is an almost exact clone of the 2008 GC SE with 24H except the T&C LX 24H has MSRP $26,190 while GC SE option 24H is $ 20 more at $ 26,210. 
The 2008 T&C Touring base 25K has MSRP $ 28,430 while 2008 GC SXT base 25K has MSRP $ 27,535. I have been unable to decipher the extra items the base T&C Touring 25K has that are not on the base GC SXT 25K. 
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- #229 of 1261
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I mean 2008 Dodge Caravan STX, sorry for typos
by tonyv1
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Sep 11, 2007 (12:58 pm)
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All this minivan model alphabetization has me confused. Someone pointed out I have repeatedly misspelled the 2008 Dodge GC STX in my recent posts, aka DCX STX. Sorry, you know what I mean.
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- #230 of 1261
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Re: I mean 2008 Dodge Caravan STX, sorry for typos [tonyv1]
by hansienna
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Sep 11, 2007 (1:02 pm)
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Replying to: tonyv1 (Sep 11, 2007 12:58 pm)
Agreed. The old system where there were names for various models was easier as is Honda keeping LX and EX for almost any Honda and Toyota keeping CE, LE, and XLE made things much simpler.
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- #231 of 1261
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Re: I test drove 2008 T&C LX and I prefer it [hansienna]
by tonyv1
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Sep 11, 2007 (1:14 pm)
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Replying to: hansienna (Sep 11, 2007 12:47 pm)
Hey hansienna
You are a stickler for details, as I am. I see you've posted over 2000 times in this forum compared to my four, so I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with everyone. My original post #220 said that my dealer quoted me a $27K cash price for a 2008 TC Touring, not 25K as you reply. He quoted me $25K cash for my choice of a 2008 TC LX with 24H package, or, $25K for a 2008 CG STX K package (aka DCX STX) that does offer better 197 HP engine and power doors and driver's seat. I negotiated these cash prices from the MSRPs you mention and I hope to bring down my cost lower if I can. Hope that answers all your questions. Otherwise, your info is absolutely right.
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- #232 of 1261
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Re: I test drove 2008 T&C LX and I prefer it [tonyv1]
by tonyv1
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Sep 11, 2007 (1:25 pm)
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Replying to: tonyv1 (Sep 11, 2007 1:14 pm)
Hey hansienna again
I just realized after I posted that you meant 25K as an option package for the 2008 GC STX, not a cash price I mentioned. My mistake.
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- #233 of 1261
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Re: I test drove 2008 T&C LX and I prefer it [tonyv1]
by hansienna
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Sep 11, 2007 (5:43 pm)
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Replying to: tonyv1 (Sep 11, 2007 1:14 pm)
Go for the T&C LX option 24H...BUT IF he will sell you the GC SXT option 25K for $ 25,000 same as T&C LX, go for the GC SXT for reasons you stated. I was satisfied with 3.3L in my 02 T&C LX but do appreciate the additional power of the Sienna 3.3L.
Chrysler has interesting codes: 24 indicates 3.3L, 25 indicates 3.8L, and 26 indicates 4.0L in GC SXT while 28 indicates 4.0L in the T&C Limited.
The letter F indicates base T&C LX or base GC SE while G and H have more content in either T&C LX or GC SE.
The letter K indicates base T&C Touring or base GC SXT where the 3.8L engine is standard. Letters L and M have more content in both T&C Touring and GC SXT.
The 4.0L is available with GC SXT option M and N but NOT available with T&C Touring option M. The 4.0L is available on the T&C in Limited only and is listed as 28X since the T&C Limited has no comparable GC.
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- #234 of 1261
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Can power slide door motors be temporarily disengaged
by tonyv1
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Sep 11, 2007 (7:38 pm)
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Replying to: hansienna (Sep 11, 2007 5:43 pm)
Actually, I would like the GC SXT 197 HP motor over the 175 HP in the TC LX, although I doubt 22 HP is going to provide a great difference in performance. I'm not as thrilled to get power slide doors and seats in the SXT because I intend to keep the minivan with its lifetime powertrain warranty, and those door motors will break down eventually. As a youth I owned a Triumph TR-7 with hidden headlights -- very cool until I had to replace the motors at a cost of $800 back 30 years ago instead of just changing $5 standard headlamps. The motors had to be flown in from Germany as Triumph had gone defunct in England. Does anyone know of a way to safely temporarily disengage door sliding motors on 2008 TC and GC? I dare not ask the dealer or he may later claim I voided the warranty on the car. It's probably not wise to do it, but I wonder if it can be done safely. Or conversely, can the doors still slide manually after the motors are shot? Then it doesn't really matter about disengaging the motors. I could still manually rotate the Triumph headlights, but I had to get down on my knees under the front bumper to turn each motor knob with my fingertips. Not too cool when trying to impress a date with your hot foreign sport car that doesn't work properly. Oh the good old days. 
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- #235 of 1261
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Re: Can power slide door motors be temporarily disengaged [tonyv1]
by masterpaul1
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Sep 11, 2007 (9:17 pm)
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Replying to: tonyv1 (Sep 11, 2007 7:38 pm)
If they kept the same concept as the previous models, you should be able to open them manually with little resistance from the motor. Next time you go to the dealer, test one out with the power sliding doors. 
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- #236 of 1261
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Re: Can power slide door motors be temporarily disengaged [masterpaul1]
by tonyv1
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Sep 12, 2007 (2:11 am)
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Replying to: masterpaul1 (Sep 11, 2007 9:17 pm)
I've actually tried that and found that once you manually start to open or close a power sliding minivan door, the motor engages to finish the job and you can't physically force it to speed up or slow down. It works like an elevator door. If you try to force it either way, it reopens automatically, as a safety precaution I guess. I wouldn't try it unless someone can definitely tell me how it can be safely done without damaging the motors. Or I may just go for the TC LX which has a smaller 175 HP engine, but manual doors and seats all around. After the motorized headlights debacle with my old Triumph TR7, I swore I'd never buy a foreign car again, which is another reason I prefer Chrysler/Dodge for future access to parts and service.
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