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Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 05, 2007 8:25 am) |
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Replying to: dennisctc (Sep 05, 2007 9:48 am) It's all about cost, because Chrysler has multivalve engines. The Corvette is a completely different animal. It's a shame the Edmunds comparo didn't measure mileage, I wonder why? Any how, my Sienna makes more power and gets better mileage. I'm not sure I'd be willing to give up either, much less both. I'll have a large sundae please. Make sure the ice cream is the best stuff you have: Breyer's Vanilla Bean. 
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Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 05, 2007 8:25 am) So they use hard looking plastic on their dash and doors. Last I looked, Honda's and Toyota's were plastic too. They only have a more rounded, softer look to them. It doesn't mean they'll last any longer and now you are talking about their toppings. It's all not just topping either. They have a six speed tranny, only van with self adjusting shocks, power saver, it's quieter, two kinds of rides, all row standard air bags, electronic stability control, along with traction control.(Not sure Honda even offers both) coil springs and a larger front stabilizer bar for improved control over the older models. There are plenty of improvements in this van over the older ones and they are not just toppings.
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Replying to: marine2 (Sep 05, 2007 10:22 am) |
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| Chrysler has made over 30 improvements over just last year's model. I also think Honda's quality has been over blown lately. They have had plenty of problems with trannys, sliding doors, squeeks and rattles. Air conditioning, windshields, etc. So far my 2005 has been problem free. Only recall was a possible pinched hose which I had checked with an oil change. | |
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Replying to: marine2 (Sep 05, 2007 10:38 am) Plus I think some of the features on the T&C are gimmicky to me. Most minivan owners have carseats attached to the seats in the 2nd row, so they're never going to use the stow-n-go feature on the road like they do in the TV commercials. And with the turning seats...I really don't think that kids (let alone adults) are going to be sitting facing each other knocking knees while driving down the highway. Maybe these things look good on TV commercials, but in reality, the minivan crowd doesn't look like the folks on TV. They're really interested in hauling a few kids around in car seats and booster seats and with a bunch of stuff behind the 3rd row on family vacations. Or with the autofolding 3rd row...give me a break. It's faster just to flip down the spit 3rd row of a Sienna or Odyssey then to wait for the autofold feature to work. But then I feel the same way with the auto-sliding doors, but then they have at least some practical benefit.
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Replying to: marine2 (Sep 05, 2007 10:38 am) Take that back, it was a 30,000 mile check up, not 15,000. |
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Replying to: bobw3 (Sep 05, 2007 10:56 am) Right and for the little ones, Chrysler is the only minivan to offer intergrated child booster seats built right into one of their models. Like I said, they offer everything to everybody except eight passinger seating. |
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Replying to: marine2 (Sep 05, 2007 10:22 am) Very outdated info. That engine was the 3.0l that was replaced. Even that engine's successor was replaced. You're complaining about an engine from two generations ago! That's just it, though, you see Toyota coming out with new engines, each more powerful and more efficient than the last. Let's not forget those Honda transmissions that people were replacing 2 or 3 times Got me there, but my neighbor had the same issue with 3 Dodge vans. If it was the wrong fluid then Dodge dealers have to be re-trained. For the 4th time. We have to wait and see about the longevity of this 6 speed. Blaming Dodge owners for using the wrong ATF type yet giving Toyota owners a pass for not changing their oil shows a blatant double-standard, IMO. Plus Toyota vans now have a maintenance minder oil change light on the dash, so it's unlikely to happen again. What has Dodge done that actively prevents owners from using the wrong type of ATF again? I'd like to see measured road noise to see if the new Caravan is quieter than the Sienna, but to be honest I doubt it. The air bags you mention has been standard on the Sienna for a while now, Honda too. Toyota made VSC standard for 08, though most models had it before. Honda made VSA standard years ago, and yes VSA incorporates both stability and traction control. Coil springs? Am I supposed to be impressed by that? You must be kidding. You drank the kool aid. The rear suspension is not fully independent. Honda wins there, period. No argument there. Toyota still uses a torsion beam as well, so both are well behind Honda in this regard. How can you even try to spin the suspension as an advantage over the Honda? Give us a break. Sure, the 08 Dodge van is an improvement over the very outdated 07 vans (the 2nd row windows didn't even open). But we're not comparing those.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 05, 2007 11:25 am) I didn't say Chrysler had a better rear suspension than Toyota. But it's much better than they had, and the front suspension has the only adjustable shocks on a minivan. The second row windows roll down now and have built in screens that lower into the body. This minivan is hands over heals over what they had. And on a wole, as good or better than the competition. Got to go pick up my grand daughter from school.
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