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1261 messages, Last post on Feb 27, 2008 at 8:47 AM
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What is this discussion about? Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Dodge Caravan, Hyundai Entourage, Mazda MAZDA5, Kia Sedona, Car Comparisons, Car Buying, Van
#1258 of 1261 Re: Glare from poorly designed Sienna instrument cluster and dash [hansienn by marine2
Feb 27, 2008 (7:36 am)
Replying to: yatesjo (Feb 27, 2008 12:14 am)
I'd rather not have this sound like a rant, but I strenuously disagree with the assertion that we should buy cars from GM/Ford/Chrysler out of some patriotic duty to support American manufacturing. Neither by public subsidy, nor personal choice do I want to pay more than fair market price for a vehicle. To do otherwise is simply bad economics. No one is asking anyone to buy an American vehicle that is priced higher or inferior in quality.
Please go to Domestic/Foreign and read the posts I put up. There is where we should be discussing this anyway. Thanks.
#1259 of 1261 Re: artgpo [dennisctc] by ateixeira
Feb 27, 2008 (8:10 am)
Replying to: dennisctc (Feb 26, 2008 2:52 pm)
We may be splitting hairs, but I don't think it's a "shoot out"-style comparion if the CTS beats the BMW and Mercedes and they rank the Inifiniti G35 (not even tested in that issue) #1. In a true comparo they would pick a winner from one of the cars tested.
#1260 of 1261 Ergonomics by ateixeira
Feb 27, 2008 (8:23 am)
Replying to: dennisctc (Feb 26, 2008 5:02 pm)
What they mean is, it's not like the japanese vehicles they're used to, therefore different and different is bad. It's not just CR that gets "used to" an interior layout, it's everyone. Simple ergonomics make you feel right at home, right away. There's no having to get used to it. You inherently know where things are, it becomes 2nd instinct.
For the most part, Japanese makes have indeed copied each other, or at least standardized on a basic layout. The headlight switches are all in the same place, the wiper switches, the cruise (in most cases). Koreans hopped on this bandwagon. Even some domestic cars have caved.
Good Example: hop out of a Mazda, and into a Subaru, and all the controls are in the same place. Then go to a Honda, again, you're right at home. And to a Toyota, and so on. You don't have to go looking for wiper controls. This is good ergonomics.
Bad Example: you're in a Mercedes, and have to look for the light switch, which is on the dash instead of on a stalk. Then you get in a Porsche, and can't find the key hole, which is left of the steering wheel. Then you go drive a Saab, and the key goes in - the center console? And you can't get it out, until you realize the shifter has to be in Reverse. Then your 7 series Bimmer has a bizarre looking shift selector that takes a while to figure out. I haven't even brought up iDrive or any of those devices.
If you need a manual to figure something out, it's not intuitive. Bad ergonomics.
If you can get used to a certain layout, and move from car to car and feel at home instantly. Well, that's just good ergonomic design.
Notice I didn't criticize domestics - that's because I think the Europeans commit far more sins in that regard.
#1261 of 1261 Okay folks.... by KarenS HOST
Feb 27, 2008 (8:47 am)
...if you're done talking about 2008 minivans, it's time to shut this down. I don't see any new folks wandering in with questions. You can go to the other discussion I linked to the other day to continue your Minivans-Domestic vs. Foreign debate.Advertisement
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