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Re: artgpo [maryh3] by ateixeira
Feb 25, 2008 (8:17 am)

Replying to: maryh3 (Feb 25, 2008 6:51 am)

Salesmen say crazy things. Dealers are independently owned and operated, so there's nothing any manufacturer can do about it.
 
I was shopping for home theatre furniture last week and the guy and the Big Screen Store started ranting and raving about how Costco's furniture was made in China, from parts with lead-based paint, etc.
 
I bought the same furniture he was selling, but elsewhere (HTmarket.com). There's no way I'm going to give my business to a lying salesman like that.
 
So the furniture comes in, same model and manufacturer that lyin' salesman was selling, and guess where it's made?
 
China. You guessed it.
 
Your story is comparatively mild.
 
Any how, let's get back to the merits of the actual minivans. If people want to debate Made in the USA a seperate thread should be created.
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Re: artgpo [marine2] by maryh3
Feb 25, 2008 (1:46 pm)

Replying to: marine2 (Feb 25, 2008 7:31 am)

What they said could be absolutely true. If they use (‘service campaigns’) instead of recalls. Who's to know except the owner? Unless someone speaks out. Keep the myth going.
 
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/14/aw-snap-toyota-recalling-15-600-tundras-for-t- ransmission-shaft/
 
Of course it aint true. But CR gave the Tundra a glowing predicted reliability review.
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Re: Glare from poorly designed Sienna instrument cluster and dash [hause7] by maryh3
Feb 25, 2008 (1:51 pm)

Replying to: hause7 (Feb 25, 2008 1:04 pm)

I don't believe in buying American to help our country crap.
 
Though I have bought American, I agree here. What incentive would American automakers have to do a good job if we bought their products regardless of their quality, reliability, price, likability etc? I love foreign competition and it always benefits consumers. I just hate the media if they give untrue reviews.
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Re: Glare from poorly designed Sienna instrument cluster and dash [maryh3] by marine2
Feb 25, 2008 (2:08 pm)

Replying to: maryh3 (Feb 25, 2008 1:51 pm)

Could we move this over to the American /Foreigh board and we can get into this much deeper?
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Re: Glare from poorly designed Sienna instrument cluster and dash [hause7] by dennisctc
Feb 26, 2008 (4:08 am)

Replying to: hause7 (Feb 25, 2008 1:04 pm)

My Sienna was built by AMERICANS in Indiana and they were paid for it and they put the money back into the economy when they buy stuff. The Chrysler vans are built in Canada by CANADIANS. The Sienna and Odyssey are built here in AMERICA.
 
Question: Where do the profit go when you buy a Honda or Toyota or Kia? Sure workers are paid a salary which they spend locally.
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Re: artgpo [marine2] by artgpo
Feb 26, 2008 (5:45 am)

Replying to: marine2 (Feb 25, 2008 9:25 am)

Please read my post. I just drove a 2008 Sebring built by the American company, Chrysler in November, 2007. The car had 5997 miles on the odometer when driven off the rental lot in Orlando. The car was a clunking POC, PERIOD. The transmission clunked and SLAMMED back into first gear much the same as the past two 1990's Chrysler products I owned. It growled coursely like a 1950's motor. Why should I believe there has been any improvement in Chrysler's QC?
 
I have documented the Dodge Truck assembly line worker I met late last year. The man fixes, you read that correctly, fixes, rear axle assemblies on the Ram pickup production line. The man claimed that due to production pressures he passes on potentially defective parts. I recently met a retired GM executive who said that early in his career he passed on defective parts. Today he drives an Acadia and says its quality is world class, something CR seems to agree with. My standard is my friend, the Chrysler dealer sales manager who bought an Odyssey for his wife because, as he said "I did not want her driving a Chrysler POC". He made that statement in 2007, not 1997.
 
My son owns a 2008 Sienna XLE, a very well made, solid vehicle. My 2006 Odyssey EX-L has been a wonderful people mover. I have a brake issue covered by a TSB but it is more annoying than a safety issue. Would I buy American in the future? Perhaps but not a product of the Chrysler Corp.
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Re: artgpo [artgpo] Quality is way up. by marine2
Feb 26, 2008 (1:58 am)

Replying to: artgpo (Feb 26, 2008 5:45 am)

Please read my post. I just drove a 2008 Sebring built by the American company, Chrysler in November, 2007. The car had 5997 miles on the odometer when driven off the rental lot in Orlando. The car was a clunking POC, PERIOD. The transmission clunked and SLAMMED back into first gear much the same as the past two 1990's Chrysler products I owned. It growled coursely like a 1950's motor. Why should I believe there has been any improvement in Chrysler's QC?
 
"Overall, the entire company has benefited from the intensified focus on quality as Chrysler Group has seen nearly a 45-percent improvement in expense per vehicle (EPUS) from the 1998-2001 model years to the 2006 model year. In external metrics, the Chrysler Group brands continue to make dramatic year-over-year improvements. The 2007 Chrysler Sebring program and its dedicated engineers have made the vehicle another strong statement in the company’s goal of being among the best in quality."
 

 
    * Chrysler has posted a 15% improvement on first-time-through powertrain manufacturing capability, resulting in smoother, more efficient assembly processes.
    * Since 1992, Chrysler Group’s conditions per 100 vehicles have been reduced by 68 percent.
    * Chrysler Group's overall warranty expense has been reduced by approximately 50 percent since 1996.
    * At nine months in service, Chrysler Group's expense per unit sold (EPUS) has declined by 13-15% (2003 model year vs. 2002 model year), continuing Chrysler's double-digit improvements.
 
The warranty cost reductions are largely through improved powertrains, intensified testing and laboratory validation, and increased durability testing.
 
http://www.allpar.com/corporate/quality.html
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Dealer servicing by marine2
Feb 26, 2008 (7:14 am)
I had read several months ago that Chrysler is pushing to have their customers have their vehicles serviced at their dealerships. They said too many customers were having them serviced at places like Quick Lube and etc.
 
They stressed that their products use certain lubricants in their transmissions, radiators, power steering units, and etc. that weren't being used by these service centers. It was causing quality problems.
 
That might be the reason they send me discount coupons every few months to have my oil changed and etc. which I posted recently.
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Re: Dealer servicing [marine2] by marine2
Feb 26, 2008 (8:03 am)

Replying to: marine2 (Feb 26, 2008 7:14 am)

I live in Arizona where it gets extremely hot in the summer. On the top of my oil dipstick, it says to use 5W 20W oil. I thought that was way to light of an oil to use here in this heat and asked the service advisor if I could use a 10W30W oil. He told me no. He said the heat won't break the oil down as long as I have it serviced according to the time table in the owners manual. He said it was extremely important to only use the type and grade of fluids recommended in the manual. He said even the antifreeze Chrysler uses is different than some of the other makes uses. I don't think many people realize now days the importance of this, because it wasn't like that years ago.
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Re: Dealer servicing [marine2] by dennisctc
Feb 26, 2008 (9:05 am)

Replying to: marine2 (Feb 26, 2008 7:14 am)

Last time at the dealer for oil change cost me about $20 (w/coupon) and a 4 hour wait for car. It took them longer though because my front outer tie rods were shot (thanks to crappy Michigan roads). The dealer found this because all oil changes get a 21 point inspection. The dealer went ahead and replaced the tie rods immediately because my 3 year warranty was up in 3 days, to save me money! So far I've had a great experience with my dealer here (Golling Dodge in West Bloom Michigan)

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