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Replying to: maryh3 (Feb 25, 2008 6:51 am) What they said could be absolutely true. If they use (‘service campaigns’) instead of recalls. Who's to know except the owner? Unless someone speaks out. Keep the myth going. Your right, all will try and build up theirs and tear down the competition to make a sale.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 25, 2008 6:48 am) I respect hansienna's opinions but I think he believes that his opinion is fact, and that everyone agrees with him. That's just not the case. And that is my exact feeling about CR and many people's opinion about CR. They are just a bunch of people giving their opinions like everything else. If glare bothers hansienna - his likes ought to be respected. You don't have to agree but this does not make his opinion wrong. Glare obviously is important to him. For me the lack of visibility out the drivers side in the Odyssey drove me nuts. It obviously doesn't bother many people but for me I drive on elementary school parking lots. I need to be able to see along my side so I don't back into a smaller child which even a rear camera might not see because it does not show the side of the van. I don't want to have to roll down the window everytime I back up. My opinion isn't better or worse than somebody else's. This doesn't bother most people. Doesn't mean I'm wrong. Chrysler's softer, looser steering doesn't bother me either. It is agile and will turn quickly, you just have to turn more. This isn't important to me. But CR and those who accept it's reviewers opinions as if they were facts follow right along. When I see the new T&C judged by CR as having poor visibility because this new version has bigger pillars even though me, the visibility expert, knows that you can see along the side but you will have to move your head somewhat -- but that you simply cannot see along the Odysseys side no matter how you move your head -- and CR mentions nothing about the Odysseys nonvisibilty -- so I accuse them of poor, biased reviews. |
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Replying to: marine2 (Feb 25, 2008 1:50 am) |
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Replying to: hause7 (Feb 25, 2008 1:04 pm) So if Cerburus is losing money, and the US government has to bail Chrysler out again, like they did in the early 1980s, then technically we are subsidizing jobs in other countries.  Country of origin doesn't play an important role to me anyway, the economy is global, plus I'm Brazilian anyway. |
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Replying to: maryh3 (Feb 25, 2008 6:51 am) I was shopping for home theatre furniture last week and the guy and the Big Screen Store started ranting and raving about how Costco's furniture was made in China, from parts with lead-based paint, etc. I bought the same furniture he was selling, but elsewhere (HTmarket.com). There's no way I'm going to give my business to a lying salesman like that. So the furniture comes in, same model and manufacturer that lyin' salesman was selling, and guess where it's made? China. You guessed it. Your story is comparatively mild. Any how, let's get back to the merits of the actual minivans. If people want to debate Made in the USA a seperate thread should be created. |
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Replying to: marine2 (Feb 25, 2008 7:31 am) http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/14/aw-snap-toyota-recalling-15-600-tundras-for-t- ransmission-shaft/ Of course it aint true. But CR gave the Tundra a glowing predicted reliability review.
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Replying to: hause7 (Feb 25, 2008 1:04 pm) Though I have bought American, I agree here. What incentive would American automakers have to do a good job if we bought their products regardless of their quality, reliability, price, likability etc? I love foreign competition and it always benefits consumers. I just hate the media if they give untrue reviews.
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Replying to: maryh3 (Feb 25, 2008 1:51 pm) |
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Replying to: hause7 (Feb 25, 2008 1:04 pm) Question: Where do the profit go when you buy a Honda or Toyota or Kia? Sure workers are paid a salary which they spend locally.
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Replying to: marine2 (Feb 25, 2008 9:25 am) I have documented the Dodge Truck assembly line worker I met late last year. The man fixes, you read that correctly, fixes, rear axle assemblies on the Ram pickup production line. The man claimed that due to production pressures he passes on potentially defective parts. I recently met a retired GM executive who said that early in his career he passed on defective parts. Today he drives an Acadia and says its quality is world class, something CR seems to agree with. My standard is my friend, the Chrysler dealer sales manager who bought an Odyssey for his wife because, as he said "I did not want her driving a Chrysler POC". He made that statement in 2007, not 1997. My son owns a 2008 Sienna XLE, a very well made, solid vehicle. My 2006 Odyssey EX-L has been a wonderful people mover. I have a brake issue covered by a TSB but it is more annoying than a safety issue. Would I buy American in the future? Perhaps but not a product of the Chrysler Corp.
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