Last post on Feb 27, 2008 at 7:47 AM
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Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Dodge Caravan, Hyundai Entourage, Mazda MAZDA5, Kia Sedona, Car Comparisons, Car Buying, Van
#1212 of 1261 Re: Chrysler put everything on minivan people wanted? [hansienna]
Feb 25, 2008 (7:15 am)
Chrysler needs to offer the biggest engine on ALL minivans without making the consumer buy a top of the line GC SXT or T&C Limited just to get power comparable to the Sienna or Odyssey. Chrysler needs to STOP having cheap, hard, ugly plastic door panels. Put soft padded vinyl and cloth on the door panels with nice carpet at the bottom. How much would it cost to have attractive door panels instead of cheap, hard, ugly plastic?
Chrysler also needs to offer both darker and lighter leather interiors and carpet for all their vans, not just the lower lines. Give people a choice.
#1213 of 1261 Re: artgpo [maryh3]
Feb 25, 2008 (7:31 am)
When I was shopping for vans in Sept 2007 I was told by the Toyota salesman that "Our quality shows. For example Toyota has never has a recall". Looks like that was BS. Of course all salesmen will tell you anything to make a sale - not just Toyota's.
What they said could be absolutely true. If they use (‘service campaigns’) instead of recalls. Who's to know except the owner? Unless someone speaks out. Keep the myth going.
Your right, all will try and build up theirs and tear down the competition to make a sale.
#1214 of 1261 Re: Glare from poorly designed Sienna instrument cluster and dash [ateixeir
Feb 25, 2008 (12:35 pm)
I respect hansienna's opinions but I think he believes that his opinion is fact, and that everyone agrees with him. That's just not the case.
And that is my exact feeling about CR and many people's opinion about CR. They are just a bunch of people giving their opinions like everything else. If glare bothers hansienna - his likes ought to be respected. You don't have to agree but this does not make his opinion wrong. Glare obviously is important to him. For me the lack of visibility out the drivers side in the Odyssey drove me nuts. It obviously doesn't bother many people but for me I drive on elementary school parking lots. I need to be able to see along my side so I don't back into a smaller child which even a rear camera might not see because it does not show the side of the van. I don't want to have to roll down the window everytime I back up.
My opinion isn't better or worse than somebody else's. This doesn't bother most people. Doesn't mean I'm wrong. Chrysler's softer, looser steering doesn't bother me either. It is agile and will turn quickly, you just have to turn more. This isn't important to me. But CR and those who accept it's reviewers opinions as if they were facts follow right along. When I see the new T&C judged by CR as having poor visibility because this new version has bigger pillars even though me, the visibility expert, knows that you can see along the side but you will have to move your head somewhat -- but that you simply cannot see along the Odysseys side no matter how you move your head -- and CR mentions nothing about the Odysseys nonvisibilty -- so I accuse them of poor, biased reviews.
#1215 of 1261 Re: Glare from poorly designed Sienna instrument cluster and dash [marine2]
Feb 25, 2008 (1:04 pm)
I don't believe in buying American to help our country crap. My Sienna was built by AMERICANS in Indiana and they were paid for it and they put the money back into the economy when they buy stuff. The Chrysler vans are built in Canada by CANADIANS. The Sienna and Odyssey are built here in AMERICA.
#1216 of 1261 Re: Glare from poorly designed Sienna instrument cluster and dash [hause7]
Feb 25, 2008 (8:12 am)
I didn't even think about that, but yeah, Canada is another country.
So if Cerburus is losing money, and the US government has to bail Chrysler out again, like they did in the early 1980s, then technically we are subsidizing jobs in other countries.
Country of origin doesn't play an important role to me anyway, the economy is global, plus I'm Brazilian anyway.
#1217 of 1261 Re: artgpo [maryh3]
Feb 25, 2008 (8:17 am)
Salesmen say crazy things. Dealers are independently owned and operated, so there's nothing any manufacturer can do about it.
I was shopping for home theatre furniture last week and the guy and the Big Screen Store started ranting and raving about how Costco's furniture was made in China, from parts with lead-based paint, etc.
I bought the same furniture he was selling, but elsewhere (HTmarket.com). There's no way I'm going to give my business to a lying salesman like that.
So the furniture comes in, same model and manufacturer that lyin' salesman was selling, and guess where it's made?
China. You guessed it.
Your story is comparatively mild.
Any how, let's get back to the merits of the actual minivans. If people want to debate Made in the USA a seperate thread should be created.
#1219 of 1261 Re: Glare from poorly designed Sienna instrument cluster and dash [hause7]
Feb 25, 2008 (1:51 pm)
I don't believe in buying American to help our country crap.
Though I have bought American, I agree here. What incentive would American automakers have to do a good job if we bought their products regardless of their quality, reliability, price, likability etc? I love foreign competition and it always benefits consumers. I just hate the media if they give untrue reviews.
#1220 of 1261 Re: Glare from poorly designed Sienna instrument cluster and dash [maryh3]
Feb 25, 2008 (2:08 pm)
Could we move this over to the American /Foreigh board and we can get into this much deeper?
#1221 of 1261 Re: Glare from poorly designed Sienna instrument cluster and dash [hause7]
Feb 26, 2008 (4:08 am)
My Sienna was built by AMERICANS in Indiana and they were paid for it and they put the money back into the economy when they buy stuff. The Chrysler vans are built in Canada by CANADIANS. The Sienna and Odyssey are built here in AMERICA.
Question: Where do the profit go when you buy a Honda or Toyota or Kia? Sure workers are paid a salary which they spend locally.