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1261 messages, Last post on Feb 27, 2008 at 7:47 AM
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Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 25, 2008 9:05 am) Toyota hasn't issued a factory recall for the Sienna door problem, perhaps because such notices generate a lot of negative publicity, said Joe Wiesenfelder with Cars.com, a Web site for car enthusiasts.
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Replying to: hansienna (Feb 25, 2008 9:06 am) C'mon now. I am a member of Sienna Club and the issue was discussed over there. When the news arrived from Toyota owners were pleased and the discussion died down. In the 2004+ Sienna threads it's way down the list, 38th to be exact. That thread got a whopping 5 responses. Not exactly the flood of complaints you guys were hoping for, eh? You may find a few complaints here on Edmunds, but nowhere near the mass hysteria being implied by a cover-up scandal. Sorry, it just wasn't a very big deal. |
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Replying to: marine2 (Feb 25, 2008 7:01 am) |
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Replying to: marine2 (Feb 25, 2008 4:42 am) When I was shopping for vans in Sept 2007 I was told by the Toyota salesman that "Our quality shows. For example Toyota has never has a recall". Looks like that was BS. Of course all salesmen will tell you anything to make a sale - not just Toyota's.
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Replying to: hansienna (Feb 24, 2008 2:39 am) Chrysler also needs to offer both darker and lighter leather interiors and carpet for all their vans, not just the lower lines. Give people a choice. |
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Replying to: maryh3 (Feb 25, 2008 6:51 am) What they said could be absolutely true. If they use (‘service campaigns’) instead of recalls. Who's to know except the owner? Unless someone speaks out. Keep the myth going. Your right, all will try and build up theirs and tear down the competition to make a sale.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 25, 2008 6:48 am) I respect hansienna's opinions but I think he believes that his opinion is fact, and that everyone agrees with him. That's just not the case. And that is my exact feeling about CR and many people's opinion about CR. They are just a bunch of people giving their opinions like everything else. If glare bothers hansienna - his likes ought to be respected. You don't have to agree but this does not make his opinion wrong. Glare obviously is important to him. For me the lack of visibility out the drivers side in the Odyssey drove me nuts. It obviously doesn't bother many people but for me I drive on elementary school parking lots. I need to be able to see along my side so I don't back into a smaller child which even a rear camera might not see because it does not show the side of the van. I don't want to have to roll down the window everytime I back up. My opinion isn't better or worse than somebody else's. This doesn't bother most people. Doesn't mean I'm wrong. Chrysler's softer, looser steering doesn't bother me either. It is agile and will turn quickly, you just have to turn more. This isn't important to me. But CR and those who accept it's reviewers opinions as if they were facts follow right along. When I see the new T&C judged by CR as having poor visibility because this new version has bigger pillars even though me, the visibility expert, knows that you can see along the side but you will have to move your head somewhat -- but that you simply cannot see along the Odysseys side no matter how you move your head -- and CR mentions nothing about the Odysseys nonvisibilty -- so I accuse them of poor, biased reviews. |
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Replying to: marine2 (Feb 25, 2008 1:50 am) |
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Replying to: hause7 (Feb 25, 2008 1:04 pm) So if Cerburus is losing money, and the US government has to bail Chrysler out again, like they did in the early 1980s, then technically we are subsidizing jobs in other countries.  Country of origin doesn't play an important role to me anyway, the economy is global, plus I'm Brazilian anyway. |
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Replying to: maryh3 (Feb 25, 2008 6:51 am) I was shopping for home theatre furniture last week and the guy and the Big Screen Store started ranting and raving about how Costco's furniture was made in China, from parts with lead-based paint, etc. I bought the same furniture he was selling, but elsewhere (HTmarket.com). There's no way I'm going to give my business to a lying salesman like that. So the furniture comes in, same model and manufacturer that lyin' salesman was selling, and guess where it's made? China. You guessed it. Your story is comparatively mild. Any how, let's get back to the merits of the actual minivans. If people want to debate Made in the USA a seperate thread should be created. |
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