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1261 messages,  Last post on Feb 27, 2008 at 7:47 AM

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Re: Not so fast... [ateixeira] by lavrishevo
Feb 20, 2008 (2:16 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 20, 2008 8:22 am)

Look at all these caps, underlines, faces, bold. To bad they don't have a crayon for you to color on your post as well.
 
Back to my other question. What happens when the door welds fail after the 5 years or 100k? Are the customers SOL? Obviously it is a design flaw and should it not be covered for as long as you own the vehicle? It is the same situation with the Ody's transmissions. Many customers are leaving Honda and swear they will never buy another because of forking out thousands for the new tranny which has the same design flaw. Anyway, I understand you love your CR. I do like most of what they say in contradiction to your sweeping statements of how biased I am against them. Personally, I have come to the conclusion that they rate Japanese vehicle higher then they should. If you do not agree just say so and don't pretend you are the presenter of "truth". You don't work for them or test drive and rate the vehicles yourself. I hardly think anyone qualifies you as authoritative on the subject.
 
By the way passion is an emotion... so hence emotional...
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artgpo by lavrishevo
Feb 20, 2008 (2:34 pm)

Replying to: artgpo (Feb 20, 2008 1:54 pm)

I agree that of course a first hand experience is best way to evaluate but lets be honest in we all know how abused rentals are. Unless you are getting the vehicle brand new we have no idea how it was driven and raced or manually shifted in very negative ways. I know personally I will never buy a vehicle that was a rental in its infantry. Like growing up with parents that were crack heads. No offense to any crack babies out there...
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Re: artgpo [lavrishevo] by thegraduate
Feb 20, 2008 (2:54 pm)

Replying to: lavrishevo (Feb 20, 2008 2:34 pm)

Yep, we all know how many people rent and race minivans.
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Rentals by lavrishevo
Feb 20, 2008 (3:34 pm)
He rented a Sebring if you look. Though I hardly think it matters. I know I personally don't treat a rental the same as my own, don't know about you.
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Recall by lavrishevo
Feb 20, 2008 (6:38 pm)
By the way the recall or "warranty enhancement" as they call it is for 600,000 Sienna's which is just a tad more then 6. I think this issue is a bit larger then the vibration problem some Sedona/Entourage owners have had.
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Re: artgpo [lavrishevo] by artgpo
Feb 20, 2008 (7:50 pm)

Replying to: lavrishevo (Feb 20, 2008 2:34 pm)

My message said that the transmission did exactly what my 1993 Intrepid's tranny did. As I was the only owner of that brand new Intrepid and knew I did not abuse the tranny your claim seems invalid. If what you say is true then every rental car should buck and wheeze down the road. I bought a used Hertz rental for my wife and it ran trouble free for years, same for one my brother-in-law purchased. Rentals tend to have better maintenance than the average privately owned car.
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Why is Toyota LYING in the mailing sent to me? by hansienna
Feb 20, 2008 (8:22 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 20, 2008 8:05 am)

The envelope which contained the warranty extension has in BIG RED LETTERS across the envelope which reads:
 
2004 THROUGH 2007 TOYOTA SIENNA DOOR CHECK
MOUNTING PANEL WARRANTY ENHANCEMENT

 
The letter inside reads:
 "2004 THROUGH 2007 MODEL YEAR SIENNA FRONT DOOR CHECK MOUNTING PANEL WARRANTY ENHANCEMENT NOTIFICATION"
 
Is it impossible to understand the exact quote directly from the mailing I received from Toyota...or is Toyota LYING in the mailing sent to me?
 
ALL the information I have written is contained in the mailing I received with return address on envelope
Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc,
Owner Notification Processing Center
 No General Correspondence
 P.O. Box 710367, San Diego, CA 92171-0367
 
The address contained on the letter inside the envelope is:
Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.
19001 South Western Avenue
P.O. Box 2991
Torrance, CA 90509-2991
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Spanish language version which is on reverse side of notification by hansienna
Feb 20, 2008 (8:40 pm)

Replying to: hansienna (Feb 20, 2008 8:22 pm)

The letter has at the bottom right corner;
 
"Spanish translation on reverse side
Traduccion en espanol en el reverso
 
And on the reverse side is return address:
Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.
19001 South Western Avenue
P.O. Box 2991
Torrance, CA 90509-2991
 
Under the address the following is written in large, black letters:
 
NOTIFICACION SOBRE LA AMPLIACION DE LA GARANTIA DEL PANEL DE MONTAJE DE LA TRABA DE LA PUERTA DELANTERA PARA EL SIENNA, MODELOS 2004 A 2007
 
(except there are Spanish language accent marks that are not on my computer)
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Re: artgpo [lavrishevo] by dennisctc
Feb 21, 2008 (12:10 am)

Replying to: lavrishevo (Feb 20, 2008 2:34 pm)

Save your breath here. Some people on here would bash domestic OEMs til they're blue in the face based on a bad experience 30 years ago, or based on someone else's bad experience - not even their own! They'll make broad sweeping allegations like "it shifts like my other POC brand I owned 15 years ago". They can accuse you of biases against CR, while denying their own biases. As I've listed numerous times....the biases are so obvioius with CR. Pick up almost any issue and rarely do you see a domestic car on the cover, go to the start of their auto articles and see what pics you see? Note that they can approve any totally redesigned Japanese car based on prior history but let an OEM slap a new bumper on their car, and even if the previous version had an average rating (which is a major accomplishment), the slightly new model is too new to rate? Look at the recent Pickup issue where they slammed GM's new trucks by not equipping them same as the Tundra (or they would have won). There's an ongoing bias with CR but some just want to ignore it cause it supports their biases!
 
You must kneel at the alter of CR, stare at the little red dots and chant "ummmmm Japanese cars are great ummmmm" and you will find the inner peace you desire!!
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Re: Not so fast... [ateixeira] by marine2
Feb 21, 2008 (7:00 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 20, 2008 8:22 am)

How much faith can you really have in Consumers Report? Or at least people being honest in reporting their vehicles. When you look at the ratings of Toyota for instance, all you see is red dots and glaring reports on how good they are. Pretty much the same on all Japanese vehicles. But do we ever hear about things like this? Why is it that these things never seem to come out in CR or the news? Americans are making some pretty darn good vehicles now, but they get little credit for it.
 
 Do we want to put the American automotive industry out of business and increase our debt? I mean we have already flooded the world with our dollars that have sank the value of it to new lows. Maybe it's times to look at what America has to offer again. You might be surprised at how good they are.
 
Toyota recalled more vehicles than it sold in the U.S. last year
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1753099/posts
 
The Mitsubishi Motors recall cover up is a corporate scandal
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DeLarge/recall

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