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1261 messages,  Last post on Feb 27, 2008 at 7:47 AM

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What is this discussion about? Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Dodge Caravan, Hyundai Entourage, Mazda MAZDA5, Kia Sedona, Car Comparisons, Car Buying, Van


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Re: Which one? [dennisctc] by artgpo
Feb 06, 2008 (3:34 pm)

Replying to: dennisctc (Feb 06, 2008 2:49 pm)

Your opinion is no more important than someone with a bad experience who would never buy that particular brand again. It seems to me that certain judgments are made by certain people here about the credibility of the poster. I have owned at least six different brands of minivans including two from GM, one each from Ford and Chrysler plus a VW, Nissan and a Honda yet when I post a negative comment I am shot down usually with you in the vanguard.
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Re: Which one? [artgpo] by dennisctc
Feb 06, 2008 (3:48 pm)

Replying to: artgpo (Feb 06, 2008 3:34 pm)

when I post a negative comment I am shot down usually with you in the vanguard.
 
Jeez, how did I shoot you down? Are you taking my "whining and moaning" personally - if you are, that's your problem, not mine. I don't let my experiences color every future buying decision from here to enternity.....that's the difference between my opinion and someone with a bad experience who harps on it constantly. If for some reason you feel i'm referring specifically to you - get over it!!!
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Gentlemen? by KarenS HOST
Feb 06, 2008 (3:58 pm)
It's about minivans, not each other. Please refrain from making it personal.
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quality vs reliability by bobw3
Feb 06, 2008 (4:03 pm)
The quality I'm talking about where VW excels is internal controls, switches, materials, etc, and this is where Chrysler and their hard plastics fail. Again, some people would rather drive a vehicle that feels of greater interior quality (and better driving dynamics), then drive a vehicle with an interior that looks and feels cheap and drives like a school bus (even if it is quiet). So maybe they have to take it in to the shop twice a year for repairs as compared to a Chrysler that you only have to take in once a year for repairs, but they're more satisfied with their vehicle the other 363 days of the year.
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Re: quality vs reliability [bobw3] by bobber1
Feb 06, 2008 (7:20 pm)

Replying to: bobw3 (Feb 06, 2008 4:03 pm)

You have to be kidding. You'd rather have your vehicle in the shop getting worked on twice a year compared to one?
 
I say skip both the VW and Chrysler and buy a Toyota or Honda. You'll get a more reliable vehicle with the better "feeling" switches and finish you seem to like
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Re: quality vs reliability [bobber1] by bobw3
Feb 07, 2008 (7:26 am)

Replying to: bobber1 (Feb 06, 2008 7:20 pm)

But neither the Sienna nor Odyssey may offer all of the features you want. Sometimes I think people place too much emphasis on reliability. In general Honda & Toyota are more reliable (however their models lately haven't been too reliable according to CR), but reliability is only ONE factor to look at when buying a car. I know die-hard Volvo owners who love their car even if they need to bring it into "their mechanic" at least 2-3 times/year for something. But that doesn't bother them in the least. Volvos are as solid as a little tank driving around and that's more important to them then reliablity statistics.
 
I'm not saying everyone thinks that way, but to me the Chrysler minivans have more features than the Odyssey/Sienna, such as underfoot storage coolers, swivel seats w/table, individual DVD screens, lifetime powertrain warranty, and so for families with kids who take a lot of road trips, these things may be more valuable than a statistic that indicates that the Odyssey or Sienna is more reliable.
 
Could be the same when the VW comes out, especially for folks who just want to drive something different than their neighbor's Odyssey/Sienna
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Re: quality vs reliability [bobw3] by ateixeira
Feb 07, 2008 (10:29 am)

Replying to: bobw3 (Feb 07, 2008 7:26 am)

In general Honda & Toyota are more reliable (however their models lately haven't been too reliable according to CR),
 
Note that the Sienna is not among the models with recent problems.
 
In the context of this thread, i.e. the Sienna being their only minivan, CR has rated Toyota vans as reliable all along, consistently, and still do.
 
The fact that 6 speed transmission and Tundra V8 are problematic have had no effect whatsoever on the Sienna, of course, since it never got those.
 
Actually, that CR rated some other Toyotas poorly sort of contradicts the claims of bias that some people make.
 
Any how, just wanted to point that out. Sienna is still CR's most reliable van, has been for years now.
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Re: quality vs reliability [bobw3] by ateixeira
Feb 07, 2008 (10:33 am)

Replying to: bobw3 (Feb 07, 2008 7:26 am)

reliability is only ONE factor to look at when buying a car
 
Now to address the 2nd half of your sentence.
 
Indeed, reliability is one factor, but the Sienna still excels in many other ways:
 
* most HP, quickest acceleration
* most fuel efficient (despite being quickest, wow!)
* only AWD option
* only true 8 seater
* most cases of beer in the cargo area in any position!
 
That last one won me over.
 
I didn't choose the Sienna because of its reliability scores. But I'll take that, too.
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Re: quality vs reliability [ateixeira] by bobw3
Feb 07, 2008 (2:59 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 07, 2008 10:33 am)

It's good that the Sienna had the features you wanted. But if you had a car full of kids, then some of the features in the new Town & Country may be more usefull than AWD or more HP.
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Re:better feeling switches? [bobber1] by hansienna
Feb 07, 2008 (3:23 pm)

Replying to: bobber1 (Feb 06, 2008 7:20 pm)

I liked the controls and switches of my 2002 T&C LX MUCH more than the "one knob does everything" of my 2006 Sienna LE but I do agree that Chrysler minivans now have too much cheap looking and cheap feeling plastic in the interior.
 
The Sienna LE interior is much more attractive than the T&C LX or T&C Touring.

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