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Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [deltheking] by m6user
Oct 19, 2009 (9:03 am)
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Replying to: deltheking (Oct 19, 2009 7:47 am)

Fusion`s interior and drive was mediocre. Surprising that it is so popular and is selling well.
 
This is defintely your opinion and certainly not any kind of consensus that I've read. I think the vast majority of owners and professional reviewers would disagree with your assessment and is probably the reason, as you say, "it is so popular and is selling well."
 
I tend to agree with you on the Sonata though. From what I've seen of the Korean market model, if they don't change it a lot or eliminate some of the bells and whistles, it will be a much bigger contender than it already is when they start selling it here.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [m6user] by phaetondriver
Oct 19, 2009 (9:34 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Oct 19, 2009 7:35 am)

Just a little FYI for those that didn't know this bit of trivia.
The Taurus is the same car that Ford tried to market as the "500" which was a full size sedan. Ford used the "500" on cars back in the 60's with the Galaxy and Fairlane names.
For some reason Ford sales of the "500" were really bad. Marketing decided that it was just the name that turned off buyers so they renamed the "500" the Taurus, because the Taurus models sold well.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [acdii] by phaetondriver
Oct 19, 2009 (9:43 am)
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Replying to: acdii (Oct 19, 2009 4:50 am)

I had that problem, reaching redline/limiter immediately too. So, I did my burnout in 3rd gear, and use a patch of water to get it started,. Just about 3 seconds is enough to soften the tires. Makes a big difference in the launch and in the first 60 feet which equated to at least 0.5 seconds in 0-60 times. Of course you start out in 1st for the timed runs, if that wasn't clear.
 
You do have the ability to start in any gear wit the Ford don't you?
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Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [deltheking] by 8babies1dog
Oct 19, 2009 (9:47 am)
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Replying to: deltheking (Oct 19, 2009 7:47 am)

I think the pressure is already on, other than Sonata's big change f/ 2009 the only
car in the midsize class that I can think of maybe the Mazda6, 2010 or 2011 may
see others follow suite another change f/ Hyundai is in the works. According to
auto industry stats I have seen and read about, show slump in sales for all the
car makers midsize sedans, except 1, their sales actually jumped up 15% f/2009.
Which prompted them to hire more people to step up production in Alabama. I didn't
hear about that company getting a hand out of our tax money to stay afloat. The company I bought all my vehicles from since early sixties must not take very good
care of their business. They got a big chunk of the tax money bail out and still have serious financial problems. Since 1995 I stopped buying their cars they have dropped 2 of their car lines completely (the kind I bought) and 2 more that has been
put on the discontinue or get rid of list. So my conclusion is, if they don't want them
I deffintly don't want them either!! Imagine if you have one of those and the dealership closes you got it from and the nearest one is kind of far away who will
work on it if needed especially under warranty. Well I have been there with that deal
and sorry but not again. I will stick with growing carmakers that put their customers
wants on top of their list, and really want to stay in business. I am not that crazy
about buying from a foreign company, but at least the 1 I just bought is engineered
and built here in our USA and their job looks secure for the near future not like what
is going on with some suppose to be BIG DOG companies here. Thanks Hyundai
for stepping up your game.
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Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [m6user] by backy
Oct 19, 2009 (10:21 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Oct 19, 2009 9:03 am)

IMO the "drive" of the Fusion is very good, one of the best in the class in terms of a nice blend of composed ride and good handling. Interior? Middle of the pack at best, although improved for 2010.
 
I talked with a friend at church yesterday who is looking to buy a new car for the first time in many years. She was thinking of an Altima. I asked her what else she had tried. Drove the Malibu--didn't like it. Drove the Sonata--was OK except the Altima's driver's seat was more comfortable. Doesn't want a Camry--period. Thinks the Accord is nice but overpriced. She has not looked at the Fusion yet. I recommended she do that before jumping for the Altima, as she will do a lot of highway driving and wants a big trunk, and the Fusion does very well in both categories, plus it should cost less than the Altima (although I am seeing some good deals on closeout 2009 Altimas right now). Also I recommended she look at certified used cars e.g. Altima and Fusion, to save some money.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [imidazol97] by 8babies1dog
Oct 19, 2009 (10:25 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Oct 19, 2009 5:21 am)

I had 3 -3.8L GM's 1 Buick La sabre and 2 Bonnevilles, good cars, good, fairly
powerful drivetrain, good MPG f/ that generation. Only problem I had with that set up
and car was Mass air sensor and fuel pump in tank, had the same problem with all three, I almost forgot a lot of alternator trouble. Kind of miss the bigger car and
the carmaker, but if they don't want them I don't either. Best GM engine IMO was
the old 283, 327 and 350 4 bolt main but they did burn a lot of gas!
 
Using an old famous closing; "GOOD DAY"
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [phaetondriver] by akirby
Oct 19, 2009 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: phaetondriver (Oct 19, 2009 9:34 am)

That was true for the 2009 Taurus but not the 2010 Taurus. For 2010 the platform was modified to handle more torque with 100% new sheetmetal and interior plus numerous new features (push button start, selectshift, 365 hp engine option, BLIS, etc.).
 
About the only thing that didn't change was the base 3.5L drivetrain.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [akirby] by backy
Oct 19, 2009 (11:59 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 19, 2009 10:35 am)

The other thing that didn't change is that it's still a LARGE car.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [backy] by akirby
Oct 19, 2009 (12:07 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 19, 2009 11:59 am)

Yes it is.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [stephen987] by plekto
Oct 19, 2009 (1:37 pm)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Oct 18, 2009 6:41 pm)

On paper not much has changed, but on the road there's a world of difference. The CTS handles vastly better and is finished to a level not available from GM in '05.
 
It's slightly better, and mostly due to better brakes and tires than anything else. The upgraded suspension option on the top end Buicks and the Cadillacs made them actually better cars by far to drive than the competition(European makes aside, of course, but then again 10-30K more money kind of SHOULD be better...).
 
It's like comparing the Lucerne CXS versus the competition it's vastly, no WORLDS better than the non CXS mode(stabilitrak/magnetic suspension/V8/etc).
 
It handles great for its size, has tons of torque, and is a beautiful car that reminds you of what Mercedes was making in their mid to late 90s S class. Which is high praise indeed if GM can equal Mercedes older models in ten years time, give or take. That they decided to update it and make it the basis for the new LaCrosse is a good thing. Just PLEASE get/try to top end suspension and engine version. It's well worth the time to find one.
 
BTW, the LaCrosse CXS with the suspension upgrade is about 30K if you haggle and after rebates/etc. It's nearly the same car to drive as the CTS for less money(and dare I say, nicer interior and exterior as well)

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